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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 13, 2005 18:07:03 GMT
And make your own.   I've just read "Five years one kata" by Bill Burgar. a very interesting book in which he breaks down Gojushiho into a fighting system which deals with common street situations. He comes to the conclusion at the end of the book that by learning all these kata and trying to figure out the techniques contained we're all doing it arse backwards, we should be building our own kata out of techniques we have learned to deal with specific situations and conditions, as the original kata creators did. |
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Post by jack on Sept 13, 2005 20:40:01 GMT
Interesting, I am sure there is good sense in that. We could expand on that and have an exercise whereby you position a number of assailants and and have a mock scrap working from bunkai backwards to your own made up kata. You've got me thinking now, and that's unusual for me  |
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Post by random on Sept 13, 2005 22:28:58 GMT
What a fickle bunch we are. I thought Geoff was our saviour, now it is Bill, poor old Iain and Ashley.
How long before we find our next guru?
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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 13, 2005 22:33:47 GMT
What a fickle bunch we are. I thought Geoff was our saviour, now it is Bill, poor old Iain and Ashley. How long before we find our next guru? Recommend a book then. Write one and it could be you! ;D There seems to be a bunch of them, Ian and Geoff get honorable mentions in the book's references. |
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Post by Aefibird on Sept 14, 2005 16:31:10 GMT
it is a good book but at what point would you recommend throwing out kata and starting your own? As a total beginner? At 5th kyu? At shodan? beyond?
To be able to understand kata and know the purpose of it you have to have experience with it and really get to grips with it. Yes, not everything in every kata will be suitable for all, but you can't just show a bunch of techniques to a beginner (or even some dan grades!) and say "go make your kata".
I see what you're saying (and, BTW I have read Burgar's book - v. interesting), but to throw out all previous kata knowledge and concentrate on your own seems a bit like chucking out the baby with the bath water to me.
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Post by Andy on Sept 14, 2005 16:45:39 GMT
Is the concept of 'Shu Ha Ri' not commonly adopted amongst all Karateka then?
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 14, 2005 21:05:14 GMT
Of course, but you have to get to Ri before you can start on the Shu again!! Anyway, does no one here actually ever read my site?  |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 14, 2005 21:25:43 GMT
Anyway, does no one here actually ever read my site? You have a website? I knew I recognised that bit in the book from somewhere. |
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 14, 2005 21:29:51 GMT
Yeah probably, I'm sure I'm SO well quoted in the MA community  |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 14, 2005 21:49:40 GMT
it is a good book but at what point would you recommend throwing out kata and starting your own? As a total beginner? At 5th kyu? At shodan? beyond? The book is aimed at nidan level or higher but he does seem to be suggesting that karateka start with their own kata right from the word go. Don't take my throw the kata away suggestion too seriously, that was to get your attention. The question is what's the purpose of kata at all? From what he says, the only reason we learn kata and perform bunkai at all is that we don't know for sure what the original movements represent. You used to write a journal/notebook with your techniques, what you've learned. It's wordy and doesn't help you actually practice the techniques even though intellectually you know them. How about instead of or in addition to writing them down you encoded them into Aefibird Dai or AngelaG Shodan, Kata no Random etc etc. Actually... There you go... Call it "ikko". |
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Post by kenshiro on Sept 14, 2005 22:33:10 GMT
Interesting topic. Have you ever heard of great master Choki Motobu in Okinawa? It is said that he had practiced only one kata in his life - Naifanchi, and it made him incredibly strong to be a legend.
Naifanchi, which corresponds to Tekki in Shotokan, would be the most basic kata and the first one taught when you join in Okinawan style like Shorin Ryu, however, that kata is said to be filled with the most secret essences of Karate. The question is there are not many teachers who understand and can teach them correctly...
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Post by random on Sept 14, 2005 22:42:07 GMT
The secret essence of karate, now there is an expression that sends me cold, I don’t believe there are secrets, just different ways of doing things, some good some bad.
If there is a secret…it is to train hard and enjoy your MA.
And by the way Hi and welcome.
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Post by kenshiro on Sept 14, 2005 23:38:59 GMT
Hi random, thanks for the welcome.
It's of course up to you whether you believe it or not. It is something like a story in manga.
But it would be more logical and science actually. There is a very deep world in Karate since the arts have been developed for surviving in a war.
K. Arakaki wrote some of such in his book, "The Secrets of Okinawan Karate: Essence and Techniques. ". It would worth reading.
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Post by Aefibird on Sept 15, 2005 16:02:35 GMT
Kenshiro, welcome to the site!  |
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Post by kenshiro on Sept 15, 2005 22:53:38 GMT
Hi Aefibird. thanks.
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