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Post by pasmith on Feb 28, 2006 13:55:47 GMT
I hear alot about "principles" in Karate and yet I feel that most Karate is very "technique led".
I'm having trouble sifting through it all and actually finding the underlying principles that Karate is supposedly founded upon.
Can you guys help out?
What are the principles of your Karate?
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Post by Shorin Ryu Sensei on Feb 28, 2006 14:03:05 GMT
Are you talking about physical principals? Philosophical principals? Theory?
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Post by pasmith on Feb 28, 2006 14:09:52 GMT
I suppose mainly physical.
The theories behind applying Karate in a fight.
That kind of thing.
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 28, 2006 14:18:05 GMT
Wow that's a BIG subject and I guess it depends on what you are trying to achieve. I prefer to think of my kata from a principle led perspective, that way one can start applying these principles to one's own kata and can then start extrapolating their own useable bunkai from the moves within the kata. It also leads to a better adaptation process, rather than finding a specific technique doesn't work, getting brain freeze, and getting beaten up.  It also leads to more sensible applications, rather than the stepping in and blocking a perfect front kick with a gedan barai :-\ Some of the basic principles would be angle/direction, available targets (vulnerable spots), gaining other targets by what we do, applying a stance to gain a direction, the right tool for the job (i.e. hard target, soft weapon; soft target, hard weapon), online/offline, centreline, mind-breath-body, the rules of gaining a good bar/lock/choke etc.... |
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 28, 2006 14:19:32 GMT
Alternatively, there's always the "Hit 'em and hope!" approach ;D
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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 28, 2006 14:24:15 GMT
The principles of karate will vary in emphasis according to the system you practice until you reach a good level of understanding then systems become remarkably alike.
However to give you an idea, I train Shorin Ryu and some of my arts core principles are -
1. Mobility
2. multiple Striking
3. Preference to be outside attacker
4. 2 handed motion
5. Hit whats avalaible first
6. Strike Anotomical weak points
etc etc, general principles of all karate include -
1. Sink
2. Float
3. Swallow
4. Spit
among other things.........................
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 28, 2006 14:31:16 GMT
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Post by searcher2 on Feb 28, 2006 15:24:32 GMT
That's quite concise, isn't it.
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Post by searcher2 on Feb 28, 2006 15:26:11 GMT
Please change the title of the topic to "Principles" rather than "Principals".
Most people refer to the Principal as Funakoshi, but he's dead and we are left without a headmaster.
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Post by andym on Feb 28, 2006 15:42:59 GMT
Please change the title of the topic to "Principles" rather than "Principals". Most people refer to the Principal as Funakoshi, but he's dead and we are left without a headmaster. There you go! |
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Post by Aefibird on Feb 28, 2006 16:26:30 GMT
Alternatively, there's always the "Hit 'em and hope!" approach ;D What's wrong with that? It's taken me to my current grade and probably beyond!  I think that one of the principles that is in my karate is that of yin/yang. |
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Post by pasmith on Feb 28, 2006 17:40:20 GMT
Interesting stuff. Thanks guys. Not sure about the spit/swallow principles though! (PS...good spot on the principals/principles ) |
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 28, 2006 22:01:19 GMT
I hear alot about "principles" in Karate and yet I feel that most Karate is very "technique led". I'm having trouble sifting through it all and actually finding the underlying principles that Karate is supposedly founded upon. Can you guys help out? What are the principles of your Karate? In the kata thread you say that kata should be principle led. What sort of principles are you yourself thinking of? I have spoken to people that do "technique" led karate. They have a core number of responses to attacks that they need to learn, like: I am held in a same side wrist grab, I do technique number 5 in response. Well that's nice, but in an adrenaline led situation what are the hopes that someone will remember what "Technique number 5" is? What is the wrist grab turns into a pull into a hook punch? I think training set responses to certain attacks is dodgy, and I feel will lead to a situation where the person is unable to adapt to a change in circumstances. Technique led training is fine as an initial base, but gradually people need to understand WHY the moves work like they do and thus come up with their own solutions. |
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 28, 2006 22:48:47 GMT
Interesting stuff. Thanks guys. Not sure about the spit/swallow principles though! (PS...good spot on the principals/principles ) To float is to uproot your opponent. Making their weight rise so they become unbalanced. To sink is to pull down / drop the opponent. To swallow is to absorb and/or deflect an attack To spit is to force the opponent away with direct force. |
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Post by Andy on Mar 1, 2006 1:44:02 GMT
I hear alot about "principles" in Karate and yet I feel that most Karate is very "technique led". I'm having trouble sifting through it all and actually finding the underlying principles that Karate is supposedly founded upon. Can you guys help out? What are the principles of your Karate? Hope I'm not rambling too much for some here, but isn't Karate a huge big encompassing term for a diverse range of practices, surrounding a diverse range of arts? How can the principles involved in Kyokushinkai be the same as those in Shito Kai, or Shotokan? Principles common to all? Two arms, two legs, hit em hard and put em down to stay. If your opponent lacks one, or any of the above, then it's your lucky day.  |
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It also leads to more sensible applications, rather than the stepping in and blocking a perfect front kick with a gedan barai :-\
