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Post by AngelaG on Aug 2, 2005 14:16:05 GMT
I think it's about flow, and whatever options are available to you at the time. We need to be able to go and keep going until the job is done - but we also need to realise what options are available to us depending on environment, what presents itself to us, the comparable size of the attacker etc. and continue to flow even when the situation alters. (Which situations have a tendency of doing)
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Post by miffersy on Sept 12, 2005 13:02:51 GMT
I think it's got some merit as a method. I showed one of the other guys (another green belt) in the class an application for the first two moves of heian shodan. When he tried it out on me he basically struck my forearm rather pathetically but didn't move his body at all. When I said you have to block down to the left, blocking a kick from the left he said "but you're in front of me". I'm not going to show any more, if they want to know I'll give them hints on ways to work it out. Blocking a kick from the left? A mae geri being blocked with a gedan barai perchance?  Why oh why do people keep this myth alive: if you have to turn and step out to the left to block an incoming kick why not just stay where you are as you are obliviously not in the opponents kicking distance. Does it not make more sense that as you move halfway through Gedan Barai ( left hand to right ear ) you have parried an incoming punch, then as you execute the move you attack with your L/H to your opponents Groin or Spleen (Atemi Waza ) ADMIN NOTE: Quote fixed to correct person - AG |
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 12, 2005 13:20:25 GMT
People maintain this myth because that's the kind of stuff that is being sold in numerous quantities in books etc. and not enough instructors are questioning it. Could this be because too many clubs are concentrating on winning trophies rather than looking a little bit deeper into the meaning behind what they are doing? I think any move you do should incapacitate the opponent, if not then all you are doing is giving them time to come in with another attack! If someone wants to block an incoming mae geri (Hardly a common attack  ) with a gedan barai, that's up to them - but whilct their hands are down there they had better hope the attacker doesn't notice the huge opening and start pummeling their face in! Let's face it, the whole application is flawed from beginning to end!  |
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Post by miffersy on Sept 12, 2005 13:47:23 GMT
I do agree with what you are saying Angela but if Students ask for Bunkai do we not owe it to them to provide credible explanations.
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 12, 2005 13:50:13 GMT
Yes obviously we do, which is why I picked up on the initial application in the first place.
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Post by random on Sept 12, 2005 13:54:07 GMT
Sometimes people get it into their heads that a move only works on one level, in fact if they are unpacked effectively they work on many levels, like the beginning of a Gedan barai, it isn’t just a preparation to block down wards. There is an element of making things prescriptive so they can be easily learned and repeated, so that they can do sparring.
There is a point to learning these techniques is a prescribed way, but not repeating them parrot fashion just because this is the way we have learned them
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 12, 2005 13:57:56 GMT
Yes well, what a lot of people seem to forget is the kumite/sparring type stuff is a fairly recent addition to karate, and therefore moves in kata where NEVER meant to be blocks against strikes used in sparring. Again, it comes down to looking (and thinking) that little bit deeper...
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Post by random on Sept 12, 2005 14:01:31 GMT
Yes well, what a lot of people seem to forget is the kumite/sparring type stuff is a fairly recent addition to karate, and therefore moves in kata where NEVER meant to be blocks against strikes used in sparring. Again, it comes down to looking (and thinking) that little bit deeper... And that is where a lot of clubs fail their students |
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 12, 2005 14:07:19 GMT
Indeed, but conversely can it also not be argued that this is where a lot of students fail their instructors? Some people treat karate etc. as some sort of tae-bo class, or ego booster. Others want to be spoon fed the knowledge. I'm guessing that a lot of the general MA population just want to go to their club once or twice a week, wave their arms and legs around, maybe get the chance to pick up a trophy, and then go back home and forget about it 'til next week... But then again I have been accused of just being cynical.... |
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Post by Aefibird on Sept 12, 2005 17:04:52 GMT
Cynical? Angela? Never!!  |
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 12, 2005 20:28:48 GMT
That's what I thought I was as shocked by the accusation as you are... ;D |
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Post by dickclark on Oct 7, 2005 19:14:59 GMT
Do not feel like alone, I have often wondered what the muppet knew, and when he knew it. However note that the enrish version of KdK is an edited one, and the Japanese version has a lot more stuff, now if I could only read Japanese!
On a side note I was at a seminar with Tadashi Yamashita, shorin ryu, and his comment on H5 is that it is a hip throw, which is adeptly show me. Ouch. He also showed a technique from the tekkis, again on me, hit me with two fast palm heel's, one in the solar plexus and then in the left chest. Pushed all the wind out of me so fast with the first I thought I was going to pass out, the second pushed in the wind, leaving me stunned and shock and awe, to use another's phrase.
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) with a gedan barai, that's up to them - but whilct their hands are down there they had better hope the attacker doesn't notice the huge opening and start pummeling their face in! Let's face it, the whole application is flawed from beginning to end! 
