Heian Nidan

[Mr. Precision]

First 3 moves.

Opponent attacks with right hand towards head. Block and catch with right hand, left arm strikes his elbow joint bending it. Opponent's arm is folded and left hand grabs elbow.

I now recognise this move from a travel program on TV a few months ago, there were some guys demonstrating Kung Fu I guess on the Great Wall of China.

The yondan equivalent has me stumped at the moment. All I can see is hand waving, there doesn't seem to be any leverage. Will think on it.

[searcher2]

Opponent throws a wild right hook (right because it's the most likely). Your flinch reaction throws your left arm into the attack while you angle your body into him and throw the WHOLE of your right forearm into his face. You grab his head with your right hand and pull it back into your shoulder (he headbutts your shoulder) while your left hand travels over and under his right arm in a tight corkscrew which levers his body away from you 9you might just get a strike into his body at the same time).
Wrench your right arm straight out - still holdig his head - whilst pulling his offending right arm into you. Two way action for best results.

[searcher2]

Heian Yondan.

Attacker throws a wild right hook (spot a trend here). Your flinch reaction is to have your hands up - you drop both hands down onto the attacking arm with as much of your body weight as you can muster "in the direction of travel" - call in a back stance if you like.

He drops forwards onto your shoulder. You raise the attacking arm up with your left hand (to hyper-extend the elbow joint) and then bar the back of it with your right forearm.
Cross-body motor-reaction causes the other hand to go away.
Pull your right hand (and his elbow) back down to your hip and fold his attacking right hand away from you over his elbow with your left hand. If you now step forwards and roll those hands into a "low x-block" position the attacker rolls himself over your hip or loses his arm.

[Mr. Precision]

searcher2 said:

Heian Yondan.

Attacker throws a wild right hook (spot a trend here).

Thought of one which might include the 4 count. I've been wondering what the 4 count with kime is for. Haven't tried it yet.

Attacker grabs left wrist with right hand. Pull down right to straighten arm and pull attacker's right side in (reinforce with r hand). Raise up left to gain access and leverage (reinforce with r hand). Grasp attacker's right wrist with right hand, pull down left to pull arm into arm bar and release left wrist. Place on attacker's elbow.

[AngelaG]

The 4 count?

[andym]

The 4 count it takes for your hands and arms to go from your waist area to mid air.

[AngelaG]

4 Count? Really?

I tend to agree with what I have been taught, which is that slow parts in kata symbolised a hard or dangerous application. Kind of a "LOOK AT ME" part...

[andym]

We were taught a 4 count on most of the slow moves in the Kata's.

[Mr. Precision]

angelag said:

The 4 count?

Yah, 1st move, hands quickly to right hip ish level approx forming square. Then lift up to left slowly (4 count) with kime. I've been doing my nut trying to figure out why slowly. At the moment I'm guessing it represents resistance from the attacker.

Course they may have put it in for a laugh. I can just imagine some old wisened chinese/okinawan bloke chuckling to himself "haha this will confuse them!".

[AngelaG]

I can't get too excited about timing. I think it's all good when first learning a kata, but as you grow and develop more understanding I think a kata should also grow and develop to suit the individual and their own personal interpretation of the kata and its applications. The core principles of the kata need to be maintained but it's nice to see a a performance where the karateka is living the kata, rather than following a static script.

[AngelaG]

mrprecision said:

Yah, 1st move, hands quickly to right hip ish level approx forming square. Then lift up to left slowly (4 count) with kime. I've been doing my nut trying to figure out why slowly. At the moment I'm guessing it represents resistance from the attacker.

I would suggest that if one moves fast enough there should be no resistance, because the attackers own momentum should be able to be used against them, If the attacker manages to "set" themselves then it is already too late.

[searcher2]

4 count. That's SSKA then.

I'm 6' 2", Andy Walker is 6'37". Sam is 3'0".
To a count of 4 (at Stuart Cole's pace) Sam must move much slower than me or Andy as we have more space to cover.
It's nice for team kata, but that's about all.

[andym]

searcher2 said:

4 count. That's SSKA then.

I'm 6' 2", Andy Walker is 6'37". Sam is 3'0".
To a count of 4 (at Stuart Cole's pace) Sam must move much slower than me or Andy as we have more space to cover.
It's nice for team kata, but that's about all.

;D

That's how we were taught, who am I to argue!

[Mr. Precision]

searcher2 said:

4 count. That's SSKA then.

SKA. www.scottishkarateassociation.co.uk/

I've had a look at Yondan in a couple of other styles. No 4 count, it's a quick move.

[andym]

erm

SSKA = Southern Shotokan Karate Association

www.sska.co.uk