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Post by kev on Dec 14, 2004 22:46:13 GMT
I found out this is the style of karate i'm learning but it never seems to come up under current styles of karate on some sites. I've only seen Gojo-Ryu, Wado-Ryu, Shito-Ryu, Kenpo and Shotokan.
Does anyone know much about or do Shukokai?
What katas are there?
Cheers
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 15, 2004 17:05:27 GMT
Just out of interest, are you from Scotland? I only ask, as I know that there's a lot of Shukokai karate clubs in Scotland.
As for finding out info, Shukokai is one of the 'lesser known' styles - it doesn't mean that its not as good or that it isn't effective, it's just that other styles of karate (e.g. Wado-Ryu, Shotokan) are much more commonly practiced. It's a bit like the difference between TaeKwonDo and Brazillian Ju Jitsu - TKD is a much more popular art (esp. in the UK), but that doesn't mean that BJJ isn't a good art or isn't effective.
I'm sorry, I don't know that much about Shukokai, apart from the little that I gleaned about it from my friend when she studied it at Stirling University Shukokai Club.
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 16, 2004 7:41:37 GMT
I don't really know anything about Shukokai I'm afraid and there doesn't seem to be that much on the Internet.
Ask your instructor for recommended reading from books and the Internet; s/he may know some sites with videos and information on.
And what is pooo-ryu? Sounds... funny.
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Post by kev on Dec 16, 2004 10:38:03 GMT
Thanks for the reply Angela. You know more about this than i thought, being able to tell where i'm from just from the style of karate i do is quite impressive  So, yes i am from Scotland. I live in Glasgow. As for pooo-ryu i can't even find the site i got this info from but i'm quite sure it's wrong! I was, shall we say, slightly intoxicated at the time ;D ;D Cheers |
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Post by shotopants on Dec 16, 2004 17:27:35 GMT
Angela
You practise the waveform punch don't you.... Welcome to Shukokai reinvented.
SP
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Post by searcher2 on Dec 17, 2004 9:46:29 GMT
My understanding of Shukokai is that it is the modern branch of Shitoryu, with many clubs even labeling what they do as Shukokai Shitoryu.
The late Taky Kimura was the proponent of this art, with lineage usually being traced to Kenwa Mabuni.
Shitoryu is famous for its many kata, listing some 50 as its core. The art claims to amalgamate Shuri-te and Naha-te, so practices Pinan kata and Sanchin as its beginner levels.
Modern british karate-ka of note would include Peter Consterdine, the man with hardest recorded punch in Europe, who no longer lists style as his art but is merely a Karate 8th Dan. Those of you who haven't yet should see his Powerkick and Powerpunch videos, and then compare Russell Stutely's Waveform series.
Shotokan stylists might like to ocnsider that beyond the "original 15" kata of Shotokan there wouldn't really be any more if it weren't for Shitoryu.
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Post by kev on Dec 20, 2004 7:58:06 GMT
The other night sensei showed me the 'floating punch' where you only stand on one leg while punching, then you almost throw yourself in with a heel hand thrust and as you are off balance you go in quite heavily. Apparently this is the only style where you practice this move. Anyone got any thoughts on that? Is it effective and realistic or not worthwhile?
Thanks
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Post by Karate Resource on Dec 20, 2004 13:57:34 GMT
It has been brought to my attention that the censored words list on here (to filter out profanities) is being a little over-enthusiastic. Therefore "Shito Ryu" was being displayed as "Pooo Ryu". (So apparently there is NOT a style called poooryu!  ) I have updated the filtered list so that this problem will hopefully not arise again. This means that I have allowed some swear words through. However please remember before posting that this board may be read by children, and therefore I am unable to tolerate abusive or extremely foul language. I have kept a lot of words I feel would be unacceptable on the filtered list, but repeated swearing may result in a warning. Thanks for your co-operation. KR Admin |
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 21, 2004 8:49:58 GMT
The other night sensei showed me the 'floating punch' where you only stand on one leg while punching, then you almost throw yourself in with a heel hand thrust and as you are off balance you go in quite heavily. Apparently this is the only style where you practice this move. Anyone got any thoughts on that? Is it effective and realistic or not worthwhile? Thanks I'm not sure if I am getting this but I see little difference in what you describe and what would happen if you step through the punch. As a stepping punch should connect before your foot touches the floor at both points you would be hitting with an unweighted punch... and therefore falling into the punch and having your entire body weight behind it. Taken from a physics point of view if Force = Mass x Acceleration increasing your mass (throwing your entire body weight in) also increases the force. You just have to make sure that you do not decrease your speed if you do it this way. Angela |
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Post by thingy on Dec 21, 2004 9:25:31 GMT
Yes I too have struggled with the description of this one although it sounds a little akin to a sparring combination that's been around the competition scene for a while.
Standing there in your guard (right foot back for the example), you start to launch yourself forward, before you've really got very far (your body has started to lean forward, you've started your forward momentum and your weight is on your front foot - but you're back foot is only just starting to leave it's spot) - you do a reverse punch (right hand) to the mid section.
Your back foot now is starting to move, and at around the point it meets your front foot, you do a backfist strike with the left hand) to the head.
For the third and final technique, you ground your back foot(still the right foot) at around the same place as your left foot was, and let the left foot fall forward and do another reverse punch (right hand) to the mid section.
Now in this combination, when you speed it up, it's done in a kind of skipping motion I guess, and the backfist strike can be done while you're in the in the air (during the transition of having your left foot as the weight bearing leg - to having your right foot as the weight bearer), and that way you get to cover lots of distance.
I'm not sure if this is a similar thing or not - Does it maybe follow similar ideas?
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Post by kev on Dec 21, 2004 23:24:23 GMT
That sounds about right thingy, but it was shown to me as a kick, punch, thrust.
It started with a right front kick to the chest, but instead of landing with the right, you pull it back in line with the other, reverse punch with the right whilst only standing on the left leg, and then left thrust as you land on the right leg.
I'm sure it could be adapted to use in different ways but i hope that made it clearer. It was quite confusing trying to do it and i still can't do it right!
Kev
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Post by thingy on Dec 22, 2004 9:17:24 GMT
Ah ok I get it. Sounds like myself and Angela both came up with alternative techniques/ideas to what you're talking about.
You do the reverse punch while you're quite upright, standing on one leg... Out of interest, do you do the punch at the same time the kicking leg is retracting, so the punching hand is going out while the kicking leg is pulling back?
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Post by kev on Dec 23, 2004 0:11:55 GMT
Ah ok I get it. Sounds like myself and Angela both came up with alternative techniques/ideas to what you're talking about. You do the reverse punch while you're quite upright, standing on one leg... Out of interest, do you do the punch at the same time the kicking leg is retracting, so the punching hand is going out while the kicking leg is pulling back? Sensei described it like a see-saw. Your right leg kicks then swings back then forward again to land and you do the punch in between, so you probably do punch at the same time your leg comes back. TBH i thought someone here might of had more info on it cos i don't really understand it. I'll ask him some more about it so don't take what i say as gospel ;D |
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 24, 2004 12:25:51 GMT
Sensei described it like a see-saw. Your right leg kicks then swings back then forward again to land and you do the punch in between, so you probably do punch at the same time your leg comes back. TBH i thought someone here might of had more info on it cos i don't really understand it. I'll ask him some more about it so don't take what i say as gospel ;D Application wise are you considered to be "reaping" the opponent's legs whilst bringing your leg back? |
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 24, 2004 12:28:50 GMT
That sounds about right thingy, but it was shown to me as a kick, punch, thrust. It started with a right front kick to the chest, but instead of landing with the right, you pull it back in line with the other, reverse punch with the right whilst only standing on the left leg, and then left thrust as you land on the right leg. I'm sure it could be adapted to use in different ways but i hope that made it clearer. It was quite confusing trying to do it and i still can't do it right! Kev We do combinations where you will and then reverse punch, but in between the kick landing we will fit an uraken (backfist) in. I wonder if this is the same thing? We do this with all the kicks. |
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