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Post by kev on Dec 24, 2004 15:19:28 GMT
Application wise are you considered to be "reaping" the opponent's legs whilst bringing your leg back? Ehhh........I honestly don't know!!! I don't think it's to take someone's leg and if it is he hasn't showed us that. He's only showed us this move once and i was looking for more info from you guys but it hasn't quite worked out that way! I'll let you know if i find out more |
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Post by thingy on Jan 5, 2005 13:32:40 GMT
Ehhh........I honestly don't know!!! I don't think it's to take someone's leg and if it is he hasn't showed us that. He's only showed us this move once and i was looking for more info from you guys but it hasn't quite worked out that way! I'll let you know if i find out more Yes sorry we haven't been much help, we've been asking you more questions than answering. Anyhow I found myself alone in the toilets at work this morning and I started trying this combination. So that was fun. I wonder if Sionnagh can help you more than the rest of us as he says he does Shitoryu, and earlier in this thread Searcher2 says My understanding of Shukokai is that it is the modern branch of Shitoryu, with many clubs even labeling what they do as Shukokai Shitoryu. |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 5, 2005 13:40:56 GMT
Yes sorry we haven't been much help, we've been asking you more questions than answering. Anyhow I found myself alone in the toilets at work this morning and I started trying this combination. So that was fun. I wonder if Sionnagh can help you more than the rest of us as he says he does Shitoryu, and earlier in this thread Searcher2 says You should be careful practicing at work - I nearly took someone's nose off because I was practicing generating power from my hips whilst opening doors ;D Kev - Rigsville posted a site you may be interested in in the Karate Essentials thread. Kev, check out the excellent website of the Traditional Shukokai Karate Association www.tska.co.uk/ you have to register (free and open to anyone) but there are loads of good quality Shukokai Kata's on video to download, plus loads of other useful stuff. |
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Post by Sionnagh on Jan 5, 2005 14:18:11 GMT
DID Shitoryu ;D I spent a bit over 12 months training with a branch of Kofukan Shitoryu. Kofukan is much like Shukokai from what I remember of <bah> lineages  - that is I think both are Tani-ha Shitoryu. Of course I could be mistaken. They have too many kata for my liking  What has been described I did not see in the Shitoryu club but sounds like you are describing momentum punching. There is also a jumping momentum punch where the same side leg kicks back as the punch is thrown out as a sort of counterweight (best way I can describe it anyhow). It can also be done from the ground but we don't practice it that way.  Mick |
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Post by thingy on Jan 5, 2005 14:30:45 GMT
Oops There is also a jumping momentum punch where the same side leg kicks back as the punch is thrown out as a sort of counterweight (best way I can describe it anyhow). It can also be done from the ground but we don't practice it that way. Ah yes, you fly through the air with the grace of an antelope and as you punch/backfist/whatever forward towards your target which is in front of you, your back leg performs a kind of back kick/low side kick kind of thing to behind you. Action/Reaction. Action/Reaction rules ok. |
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Post by Sionnagh on Jan 6, 2005 3:54:51 GMT
In my case it seems to be more like the grace of an antelope with an elephant on it's back...  Mick |
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Post by kev on Jan 6, 2005 7:29:38 GMT
Anyhow I found myself alone in the toilets at work this morning and I started trying this combination. So that was fun. I see i'm not the only one that practices karate in strange places ;D Sometimes i just can't help myself!! |
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Post by Aefibird on Jan 7, 2005 16:44:41 GMT
Ah, I practice kata in the toilets at work too! ...doesn't everyone...?? |
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Post by Petek on Feb 4, 2005 19:40:10 GMT
I also practice kata in the toilets at work - unsu !, had to work up to it though.
Getting back to the floating/flowing punch subject, Mr Nakayama demonstrates/mentions it in his Best Karate series. I have never seen it demonstrated in a Shotokan dojo though. Information on this technique, within the shotokan realm is quite scarce. In fact there is very little written material on it. Researching around, over the years, it appears to be,( to me), to be a question of emphasis. It is not a fast punch, the emphasis seems to be on having a 'heavy' hand, and punching through the target. Sounds a bit airy fairy I know, but that is all I have been able to find out over the last 10-15 years. To look at it does not appear very different to a 'normal ' punch. Your best bet is to strike a punch bag/pad both ways - see what you think.
I know 2 things : i) it is very good from close in, & ii) it hurts.
The concept of heavy hands is not exclusive to japanese karate, it crops up in okinawan styles, kung fu & kalipayat,( an indian martial art), as well.
Hope I haven't muddied the waters !
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Post by ukshorinryu on Oct 2, 2005 23:31:51 GMT
shukokai was simply the name applied to Sensei Tani (shito ryu) karate dojo/style, its chief worldwide (outside of Japan) instructors were Sensei Kimura and Sensei Nanbu back in the 70s.
It was a popular style in the UK and developed very well for kumite comps, its the style that invented the 'impact' pad.And its punching method was extremly like the 'waveform' in my limited expierience of both.
Sensei Kimura passed away some time ago, Sensei Nanbu went on to develop Sankukai, then Nanbudo.
Its a good solid modern japanese interpretation of karate IMO.
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Post by miffersy on Oct 3, 2005 8:41:41 GMT
Hi Kev, I used to compete against a couple of Shukokai Guys a while ago and the name that always seem to come up in conversation was Sensei Terry Pottage. So maybe you could find publications by him on Amazon or sites like that. Hope this helps my friend.  |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Oct 3, 2005 13:59:25 GMT
My understanding of Shukokai is that it is the modern branch of Shitoryu, with many clubs even labeling what they do as Shukokai Shitoryu. 'tis. It's a slightly more sporting version of shito-ryu, as shotokan is the more sporting version of shotokai. |
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Post by RigsVille on Oct 4, 2005 14:35:31 GMT
I trained at a couple of courses with Sensei Terry Pottage in the 1980's when I was a part of his Ken-Yu-Kai group and he was featured in Traditional Karate mag a few months ago, he's also the EKGB's chief referee.
A very likable Karate-ka
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Post by Andy on Oct 8, 2005 1:57:51 GMT
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- that is I think both are Tani-ha Shitoryu. Of course I could be mistaken.
