Throws in karate

[AngelaG]

Nah, I'm sure you do karate as well. I think it just makes us doubley qualified now!! W00t! ;D

[random]

I think learning to fight on the floor could be a very useful technique especially if one finds oneself underneath someone rather heavier and stronger, but personally, if I can throw you I can thump you. I think that is why I never took to Judo, although I do miss the groundwork.

[Aefibird]

angelag said:

Nah, I'm sure you do karate as well. I think it just makes us doubley qualified now!! W00t! ;D

Woo hoo!!

[AngelaG]

random said:

I think learning to fight on the floor could be a very useful technique especially if one finds oneself underneath someone rather heavier and stronger, but personally, if I can throw you I can thump you. I think that is why I never took to Judo, although I do miss the groundwork.

Does judo have much groundwork these days? The only judo I have really seen is the Olympics, and I wasn't particularly impressed. (Apart from a couple of lessons when I was about 11 years old, which don't count as half the time I can't even remember what happened last week)

[jones]

If you go to the ground in a fight in Kebab Rush it doesn't matter how much grappling you know. You will be stamped and kicked to death by just about anyone that fancies a go. Even the staff will jump over the counter and kick your heads off whilst you grapple about on the ground.

Ground fighting in a real fight = death

[random]

I have to confess it was a while ago and wouldn't like to guess what happens now. Perhaps someone out there can enlighten us to modern practice.

[AngelaG]

jones said:

If you go to the ground in a fight in Kebab Rush it doesn't matter how much grappling you know. You will be stamped and kicked to death by just about anyone that fancies a go. Even the staff will jump over the counter and kick your heads off whilst you grapple about on the ground.

Ground fighting in a real fight = death

It's not likely though because I don't really go out and get tanked up anymore. The only times I have been really drunk recently (as opposed to squiffy), have been when I was in a safe environment, such as my or a friend's house.

[malcolmtent]

In bars and clubs and stuff you are often too close to kick, you may have no space.

"So, you're close enough to punch, but not close enough to kick/knee? Aren't your legs longer than your arms?"

im sorry but this to me says angela has had very few fights.

Yeah my legs are longer than my arms, but i'd rather they both stayed on the ground. what i mean is you are often too close to them to throw something like a kick, or even a karate elbow, which seems weird to to make something you could throw like a hook with really close range a ranged attack. i think boxing because it was so much more fun, we didnt do boring kata (which in my opinion is a waste of time) everyone had skinheads and tatoos but were so nice to me and helpful, and the fitness was better. they also spar all the time which fits with my theory that you just have to do it and it will be instict and you wont even need to think about it once a fight breaks out. and the karate club people werent very cool at all. the instructor punched me in the chest for no reason pretty hard when he was showing me something, and looked all annoyed when i told him id done judo. this really annoyed me because he was a really skinny little bloke with glasses and i just got the feeling if i didnt have this silly restriction i could have just battered him.

the boxing coach was so nice i didn't have any thoughts of that, plus he was probably really hard

id do kyokushkinai karate if i could find a place becuase it is karate trained like boxing, which i think is really good. it still has kata but as long as lots of sparing was done i would be happy.

so im going to attend boxing regularly and i think boxing and judo is a WICKED combination.

[AngelaG]

What on earth is a karate elbow?

And you're right, I don't get into many fights. For some reason people just don't have the impulse to punch me in the face when they see me.......

[random]

I have the same problem Angela, but for very different reasons, for some reason they don’t want to punch me in the face. I think to dismiss Kata and then dismiss in close fighting in karate is a bit if a rash attitude to take. An Empi Uchi takes a similar line to a right/left hook or even a right/left cross. There is no definitive style or art for in close or for distance fighting, you have to find the one you are comfortable with, and so the instructor hit you in the chest, don’t you get hit in boxing.

And what does it mean to be ‘really hard’ and since when in this day and age did someone’s haircut define his or her position in society. Leave the stereotypes somewhere else.

And if you don’t like being hit forget kyokushkina the training for knock down is intensive.

As to throws in karate I have been thinking more about this and I am tending to think that it would be good to be able to do 2 or 3 throws really well and confidently, there is nothing more likely to end a fight quickly then flinging the mouthy ringleader through the air. It also allows you to get distance between you and them, so that you can run away. As yet the best defence known.

[Mr. Precision]

"Are there many? I remember seeing the higher grades in the karate class i briefly attended practicing some, but it didn't seem like they were doing it very well"

They were probably in shock.

There are loads of throws. In fact, if you count up the techniques there are probably more individual throws, twists and joint locks than there are types of kicks and punches.

[Mr. Precision]

malcolmtent said:

Yeah my legs are longer than my arms, but i'd rather they both stayed on the ground. what i mean is you are often too close to them to throw something like a kick, or even a karate elbow, which seems weird to to make something you could throw like a hook with really close range a ranged attack.

If you're that close, place a couple of fingers on their throat, at the notch in the rib cage and push. Vital points you see.

Uppercut: Tekki Shodan kata
Left/Right hook: Heian Godan, Tekki Shodan katas

malcolmtent said:

i think boxing because it was so much more fun, we didnt do boring kata (which in my opinion is a waste of time) everyone had

That really just means you don't understand what kata are about.

malcolmtent said:

skinheads and tatoos but were so nice to me and helpful, and the fitness was better. they also spar all the time which fits with my theory that you just have to do it and it will be instict and you wont even need to think about it once a fight breaks out. and the karate

And that's why you're supposed to train the applications of the kata...

BTW, I'm a skinhead with tattoos.

malcolmtent said:

id do kyokushkinai karate if i could find a place becuase it is karate trained like boxing, which i think is really good. it still has kata but as long as lots of sparing was done i would be happy.

so im going to attend boxing regularly and i think boxing and judo is a WICKED combination.

It'll do the job, you're just missing out on a couple of really effective techniques though.

It gives me the shivers thinking about a yoko geri or mawashi geri to the knee. Something I never ever want to be on the receiving end of. By far the strongest muscles in the body are in the legs and you gan deliver huge impacts using your feet. Your elbows can deliver far more force than your fists can.

People think karate is just kicking and punching. It's not. It's kicking and punching with throwing and locking. It's the whole package, and that's true of all of the styles. If they teach the same kata it's really the same style.

[AngelaG]

Are there throws in Shotokan Karate?



Well, well well.... Would you want to disagree with man in this picture? If the founder of the style demonstrates a throw, then surely there are throws in the style?

[Mr. Precision]

angelag said:

Well, well well.... Would you want to disagree with man in this picture? If the founder of the style demonstrates a throw, then surely there are throws in the style?

BTW, be careful with the drop them on their head one it's an excellent way to excruciating back pain so I'm told.

[AngelaG]

mrprecision said:

angelag said:

Well, well well.... Would you want to disagree with man in this picture? If the founder of the style demonstrates a throw, then surely there are throws in the style?

BTW, be careful with the drop them on their head one it's an excellent way to excruciating back pain so I'm told.

Yes, you are absolutely right. One for thick mats, or soft let downs only!!!