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Post by jack on Aug 31, 2005 18:17:19 GMT
I would have considered this a simple question some years ago, but now I'm not so sure. What angle are your hips at when you punch; Oizuki jodan ........... Oizuki chudan ......... Gyakazuki jodan ...... Gyakazuki chudan .... I am currently being taught quite differently from when I first started.  |
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Post by searcher2 on Sept 1, 2005 13:47:26 GMT
Just to add fuel:
Depends on where you start. Twist being something that you do rather than a position, you definitely twist to throw bodyweight forward. As you are unlikely to be standing square-on to someone to start with (really, you shouldn't be) you must twist.
I suspect you are really asking about shomen and hanmi (square or half-on). The answer must be that by driving your bodyweight forwards to the moment of impact you will be square-on. Any over stretching and over-rotation of the hip can only occur if the opponent is too far away for you to punch them. So, if you mean sport, it will depend on whose rules and which tournament.
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Post by jack on Sept 1, 2005 19:33:34 GMT
That is exactly what I mean, at the moment of impact, and also hanmi or shomen disregarding over rotation. Does it make any difference where the target is, jodan or chudan, or what technique as to the final position of the hips ? Assuming the punch is executed correctly and in kihon.
I will be training tomorrow night and I'll ask my instructor what he teaches. I must admit I always practice techniques the way that I was originally taught them, right or wrong.
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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 1, 2005 21:18:19 GMT
That is exactly what I mean, at the moment of impact, and also hanmi or shomen disregarding over rotation. Does it make any difference where the target is, jodan or chudan, or what technique as to the final position of the hips ? Assuming the punch is executed correctly and in kihon. Well, your legs are driving your hips which are driving your shoulder and arm. Jodan, chudan shouldn't matter. Hmm, oi zuki and gyaku zuki, I'll have to try it... Gyaku zuki I definitely snap my hips from half to full facing, the impact would be somewhere in between. Oi zuki is the same, half facing the first half, rotate to full facing at impact, though now I look at it I've a tendency to over rotate on that one. I'll have to get a video camera to check out my technique. Funakoshi says the same in karate-do kyohan. Half to full facing in both punches. |
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Post by random on Sept 3, 2005 0:37:29 GMT
I find that I am surprised by a great deal of things that are taught today that were frowned upon 20 years ago…  Twisting…when done properly, can add a great deal to ones punch…pick one it works for them all one way or another. The important thing is spending enough time to learn how and when to rotate the hips to get the best out of a technique…it is easy to show someone how but they have to learn how to make it really effective… |
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Post by jack on Sept 3, 2005 9:02:32 GMT
I forgot to ask my instructor last night because I got myself injured.
I had always been taught that on gyakazuki hips snap from half to full facing, regardless of target level, and Oizuki is half facing regardless of target. If you rotate to back full facing then surely you must be moving you fist away from the target on impact.
The way my current instructors are teaching is something like, when you punch jodan gyakazuki snap to full facing, when chudan only half facing ....... This makes no sense to me.
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Post by Mr. Precision on Sept 3, 2005 14:48:17 GMT
Oizuki is half facing regardless of target. If you rotate to back full facing then surely you must be moving you fist away from the target on impact. You start half facing in gedan barai and are half facing till half way through the lunge, when your feet are together. Having said that I do over rotate on it and so does the guy in the photos in my edition of Kyohan. |
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Post by AngelaG on Sept 20, 2005 17:41:30 GMT
I forgot to ask my instructor last night because I got myself injured. I had always been taught that on gyakazuki hips snap from half to full facing, regardless of target level, and Oizuki is half facing regardless of target. If you rotate to back full facing then surely you must be moving you fist away from the target on impact. The way my current instructors are teaching is something like, when you punch jodan gyakazuki snap to full facing, when chudan only half facing ....... This makes no sense to me. I'd say for oi zuki the hips and shoulders are square, for kizamizuki the hips can be pushed forwards while also pushing through the front knee for extra distance. You should try to use the hips in everything, even if going from a full-on technique to another full-on technique otherwise all you are using is arm strength and the technique will lack power. It does not have to be a large movement, more like a twitch of the hips. I guess in kumite its about pushing as far as possible to gain the extra distance, and maybe sacrificing good form to this end. |
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