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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 23, 2006 21:17:11 GMT
It is I Angela !  |
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Post by Shorin Ryu Sensei on Feb 25, 2006 17:42:33 GMT
Yeah...what he said! ;D
Angela, if you can figure out a way to change my name to Shorin Ryu Sensei that would be cool with me. When I tried it it wouldn't allow caps or spaces between the words. Or even ShorinRyuSensei?
As for the avatar thing...I'd put a different one, but again, I don't know how to do it. In most forums I've been a member of, you can change your avatar from one I have in my pc harddrive. On here you have to link it somehow, and I haven't a clue as to how to do that.
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Post by Aefibird on Feb 25, 2006 17:46:28 GMT
especially as you are both using the same avatar. It must be the new Shorin Ryu logo. ;D |
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 25, 2006 18:08:24 GMT
Angela, if you can figure out a way to change my name to Shorin Ryu Sensei that would be cool with me. When I tried it it wouldn't allow caps or spaces between the words. Or even ShorinRyuSensei? Consider it done, cos I've done it  There is a difference between username and display name on this board. Your username is SRS but your display name is now Shorin Ryu Sensei  As for avatars you'll either have to host the avatar elsewhere, or use the board avatar. I may have a play with some other more interesting avatars though. |
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Post by nkudahc on Feb 25, 2006 20:40:39 GMT
I may have a play with some other more interesting avatars though. ;D as long as you dont' get rid of the bunny  |
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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 25, 2006 23:12:53 GMT
not a problemo i have changed to a baby.........
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 27, 2006 8:55:19 GMT
our Kihon front stance is higher than the zenkutsu dachi - this is an unnatural movement stance due to its length, width and height, however it has application use for directing force whilst stationary. Now obviously Shorin Ryu has different emphasised principles to say Shotokan, so im not saying the zenkutsu dachi is wrong, I just use it differently, Other Shorin Ryus core principles are mobility and combination striking and this isnt achieved by to low or wide a stance - however we all know that stances are but a moment in time........ Look forward to chatting more about this with you all! As you say a stance is but a moment in time, and the real work is happening in the middle of the step. Therefore I don't see that it really matters whether the stance is shorter and more narrow or not as at the mid point the same thing is happening, the main difference I see is that being that the lower stances are more rooted and presenting a smaller target. Shotokan stances are also exercise as Master Funakoshi was eager to promote the health aspects of karate. The other part is that if one trains to their maximum in the safety of the dojo then in a real situation, when the adrenaline is running and the percentages drop we will (hopefully) still get a good affect. As you say neither is right/wrong but both are different and both groups have good reason for doing what they do. Perhaps it is because Shotokan has the longer/wider stances that the C shaped step feels more natural? When I see beginners stepping straight ahead, with the wider stance, it looks like they have had an accident in their trousers. ;D |
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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 27, 2006 11:16:22 GMT
LOL Angela,
thankyou for your response and of course as we train different methods we are going to have different opinions on what works best. What I do know is that I see little value in training Shotokan, for me.
Many excellent shotokan people i have trained with other the years all seemed to significantly 'change' their shotokan to aid application, and the changes seemed to be very much about making the movements less big, and remarkably alot more like shorin ryu.
Now that doesnt make shotokan bad, however we need to accept that it was developed into an excellent modern budo and its prime purpose isnt realiistic application, it is modern sport and personal development (Look at Funakoshis older texts and see what he is doing, Shorin Ryu, Upright stances).
As a Japanese (Not Okinawan) modern budo it of course brings many other benefits to people, and with modification is as good as any other karate for application, i just dont do modifictation these days, lifes to short!
Sorry if this upsets anyone, this is not my intention as I respect all systems, different strokes for different folks, and many Shotokan exponents exsist who could hand me my butt......
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 27, 2006 13:30:40 GMT
Now that doesnt make shotokan bad, however we need to accept that it was developed into an excellent modern budo and its prime purpose isnt realiistic application, it is modern sport and personal development (Look at Funakoshis older texts and see what he is doing, Shorin Ryu, Upright stances). I'm not sure that everyone would agree with you about Shotokan's prime purpose. I agree that in a lot of dojo Shotokan is purely a sports activity, but there are also a lot of people doing it for self-defence, in which case application is going to be very important. I don't think Shotokan has to be adapted to make it relevant as long as there is an understanding of the process behind what we are doing. One does not start from the long and low stances but rather uses the process of moving into that stance to gain a better affect. It applies a greater percentage of mass to be applied in a given direction. I recently started a poll on KU to see what people felt about the importance of bunkai in Japanese Karate. The substantial majority of people believe that there is a place for bunkai in what they do. The people that disagree tend to be those that are purely interested in the sports competition side and people that study Okinawan Karate.  |
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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 27, 2006 14:29:14 GMT
Hi Angela,
I must appologise if my post sounded harsh, it wasnt meant that way.
Why do people feel the need to defend systems, I will happily say right now that in general Shotokan karate generates more power than Shorin Ryu karate - were weak man! LOL LOL. anyhow to be more specific,
It bears no importance to me whatsoever what other people think of shotokan, its my expierience and that of my seniors, including several high level shotokan people - that will do for me!
I agree that undestanding the process of technique is half the battle, however why learn technique that simply isnt developed for the self defense application, but something else? ie Shotokan comes from older karate, its different get over it - in many ways its superior!
Its true much Okinawan Karate has little interest in Bunkai, which is simply a method of highlighting core essential principles from kata that make application work, bunkai is just a means to get something actually usefull regarding self defence. I havent seen much bunkai application in sports, streets or friendly 'matches' but plenty of principles being worked. Once the principles are identified, understood and trained then we could all dispense with bunkai and remain effective, most of the 'modern' application specialists seem to hold this view.
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Post by AngelaG on Feb 27, 2006 16:05:51 GMT
Hi Angela, I must appologise if my post sounded harsh, it wasnt meant that way. I didn't take it like that at all Why do people feel the need to defend systems, Please don't take my explaining as "defending my system", I am merely explaining from a Shotokan point of view (with personal bias). I don't feel the need to defend Shotokan in the slightest, nor am I particularly attached to the label Shotokan, I am actually more interested in what my own dojo does, rather than what Shotokanists as a whole do. I don't think the label really totally summarises what we do, as it's too broad, and the average person will think of JKA style Shotokan when they hear the word. |
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Post by ukshorinryu on Feb 27, 2006 17:20:43 GMT
Fair dinkum,
everyone has their own view on what particular systems are and are not, incrediably varied actually which is strange as people seem to be so insistant on 'style' (not directed at you).
of course you are right, my Shorin Ryu is considerably different from someone elses, and often this difference is from dojo to dojo, and ultimatly from person to person.
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Post by death on Mar 8, 2006 23:17:03 GMT
A lot of you have had some good points so far.I have a couple of more things to consider.In Shorin we do short and long front stances.Stepping from long stance to long stance the crescent step maintains your hight(keeps you from bobbing),maintains your balance.I think that these were mentioned. Most importantly it keeps your hip back so when you get ready to punch you'll be able to use it.In the natural short stance the hip stays back by itself.I've been yelled at for years,"if there's no hip it's not Shorin". |
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