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Post by rikimaru on Dec 4, 2005 3:14:02 GMT
My biggest fear is not of getting attacked when I'm on my own, but if I got into a fight when with my girlfriend or with my family. In this situation, not only do you have to look out for yourself but for whoever you are with aswell.
Obviously running away is not an option in most cases. I remember stopping at a takeaway for some food after going to the cinema with my girlfriend on a friday night. It was full of louts shouting and mouthing off. Luckily I had no trouble and we just ignored the fools, but if it had kicked off (and I'd been outnumbered) I'd have been in a pretty bad situation. I couldn't run off due to my girlie in her high heels etc, and if I had ended up rolling around with these clowns she (and I) would have been in a very dangerous situation.
I know the general advice is to avoid such places. But this was just a takeaway at 11.00 at night. You can't avoid every possible place that might be inhabited by idiots.
So ... what would you do if you got into a fight when you were with someone close to you (eg someone who can't defend themselves such as girlfriend or family member ... not your mates who can handle themselves)? Would you aproach the situation exactly the same as if you weren't with anyone? If not, what wouyld you do differently? To be honest, and especially if you are outnumbered, I don't think there's a lot you can do.
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Post by maskedman on Dec 4, 2005 3:48:56 GMT
The simplist thing to do if you want food at 11 at night is to either get it delivered or learn to cook.
I approach all fights the same way, in terms of multiple opponents, the first assailant I reach, is in for a world o hurt...I will maim him, for life if I can, kill him if I must, my wife and family know to book it when this happens and I just fight a retreat really, they run to get help.
If they cant run away then ijust need to be faster and more agressive than normal.
If this does happen, it is not the best situation to be in, just try to survive!
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Post by rikimaru on Dec 4, 2005 4:27:06 GMT
OK, great "maskedman". Now for some sensible answers ...
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Post by maskedman on Dec 4, 2005 4:50:40 GMT
OK, great "maskedman". Now for some sensible answers ... How much more sensible can you get....if you must fight in that situation, up your game, make sure that when they hit the ground they dont get up...ever, because if they rise up behind you, you and your girlfriend/parents/loved ones....you are not going to be able to help them, I said it is not an ideal situation but if it does arise you need to fight harder because you are not only defending yourself. I dont like your tone another on for the admin! |
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 4, 2005 12:58:12 GMT
You can't avoid every possible place that might be inhabited by idiots. That's true but you have to try and think of damage limitation. Obviously, a situation can occur any time any place, hovever, avoiding certain places and people is sensible if you want to stay out of troublesome situations. Still, trouble can find you anywhere. I was Christmas shopping yesterday at Meadowhell (ooops, I mean Meadow hall) centre yesterday with my God-daughter and her mum. There was a big fight in the food court between two gangs of lads. Thankfully, security sorted them out and they were escorted off the premises faster than their feet could carry them. However, we'd been involved in an "incident" with one half of the troublemakers earlier. It was very busy in the shopping centre and it was hard to walk in a straight line, however this gang were deliberately barging into people to try and see if they could knock them down (must be what constitutes for 'fun' if you have an IQ in the negative numbers). They barged into my friend, who was holding onto her small daughter's hand, and knocked her to the floor. She's pregnant, so obviously, she doesn't need people doing that to her. Instead of getting into a possible situation with these idiots we went and reported it to security. However, other people may have reacted differently. I was itching to go and maegeri them all in the b*lls, but I know that wasn't the right way to handle the situation. It would just have caused us more trouble if I'd gone up to them angrily and ready to "have a go". I've no real answers as to what to do if trouble finds you if you're with other people. Thankfully, most of the people that I know and 'hang out' with are either current martial artists or former martial artists, so we'd hopefully have some sort of clue between us as to how to deal with any potential attackers. I suppose the best you can do is just damage limitation. Try and stay away from potential trouble spots and just judge each situation the best you can if the worst ever happens. Sometimes you will be able to escape from a potential situation, other times you may have to defend yourself. It's easy to become paranoid and think every teenage lad in a hooded top is a mugger, but you still have to have awareness. If there's a big gang of youths hanging out in a pizza shop then don't go in there. For all you know, they may all be members of the local choir and be exemplary citizens, but it really isn't worth taking that chance. If a place feels 'dodgy' then go somewhere else. |
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Post by rikimaru on Dec 4, 2005 16:41:06 GMT
lol, just keep grassing m,e up to the admin "maskedman". Why not do the honourable thing and fight your own battles? Not that I'm bothered about fighting with you. If you ignore my posts and stay away from me then I'll do the same with you.
And the reason I said your comment wasn't sensible is because it's not realistic:
Do you think you are invincible? What if the person is better than you? What if you are heavily outnumbered? What if your wife can't get away and you are unable to defend her? Saying things like "If anyone tries it I'll kill them"is rather stupid really.
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Post by maskedman on Dec 4, 2005 21:19:21 GMT
lol, just keep grassing m,e up to the admin "maskedman". Why not do the honourable thing and fight your own battles? Not that I'm bothered about fighting with you. If you ignore my posts and stay away from me then I'll do the same with you. And the reason I said your comment wasn't sensible is because it's not realistic: Do you think you are invincible? What if the person is better than you? What if you are heavily outnumbered? What if your wife can't get away and you are unable to defend her? Saying things like "If anyone tries it I'll kill them"is rather stupid really. ;DLOL, so you would just surrender....I may not be invincible, but I will fight to my last breath to protect my faimily.....avoid it if I could and if I couldnt well I would kill...simple really! But yeah, I am sure knocking people out is a much better thing to do  , so they can get up again and rejoin the ranks. |
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 4, 2005 21:31:56 GMT
lol, just keep grassing m,e up to the admin "maskedman". Why not do the honourable thing and fight your own battles? Not that I'm bothered about fighting with you. If you ignore my posts and stay away from me then I'll do the same with you. Right, please stop this now. You have been warned enough. Unless you have conclusive proof that Maskedman is not who he says he I then I ask you for the final time to please stop this petty, childish bickering about identities. Karate Resource is a place for positive discussion about martial arts and any deviation from that aim will not be tolerated, especially by new members. |
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 4, 2005 21:34:50 GMT
The problem with death is that it's permanent. It's not like anyone ever suffered a slight case of death. You know, take two pills twice a day and you'll soon be sorted. I'm not sure whether I could kill. I believe I possibly could if it came to protecting a loved one, but this is all just supposition. I've never had to face those kind of decisions and hopefully never will. Do I really want to be 80 years old and still waking up in the night wondering if I did the right thing? Taking into account not just the attacker but their friends and family....
Once someone is KOed and lying on the floor and therefore no longer a threat it would take a particular kind of person to be able to keep on going until they were dead. I think most people would stop there, especially if it had just been an opportunistic kind of attack, rather than a series of threats aimed specifically at you and your family (mafia stylee).
It also comes down to the circumstances at the time. If they want your purse/wallet then give them it, afterall it's just material posessions, and killing someone over a mugging is overly extreme. Only if your life is in danger should it even be considered, but if they are put out comission before then and then you carry on until they are dead, then what you just did was murder, driven by rage, and therefore was your reaction any better than theirs?
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Post by maskedman on Dec 4, 2005 22:10:39 GMT
The problem with death is that it's permanent. It's not like anyone ever suffered a slight case of death. You know, take two pills twice a day and you'll soon be sorted. I'm not sure whether I could kill. I believe I possibly could if it came to protecting a loved one, but this is all just supposition. I've never had to face those kind of decisions and hopefully never will. Do I really want to be 80 years old and still waking up in the night wondering if I did the right thing? Taking into account not just the attacker but their friends and family.... Once someone is KOed and lying on the floor and therefore no longer a threat it would take a particular kind of person to be able to keep on going until they were dead. I think most people would stop there, especially if it had just been an opportunistic kind of attack, rather than a series of threats aimed specifically at you and your family (mafia stylee). It also comes down to the circumstances at the time. If they want your purse/wallet then give them it, afterall it's just material posessions, and killing someone over a mugging is overly extreme. Only if your life is in danger should it even be considered, but if they are put out comission before then and then you carry on until they are dead, then what you just did was murder, driven by rage, and therefore was your reaction any better than theirs? I agree, trying to kill someone over a few dollars, or being killed over a few dollars is silly, I mentioned that my family and I know what to do, I drill them, I will stand and fight my wife and child will escape to find help, no I am not invincible, but I am the trained fighter, I would fight better knowing they were gone, I wouldnt cosider killing anyone! If I was heavily outnumbered and my loved ones couldnt get away, my wife or child, I would lose it...I would kill, because ifI went down I hate to think what would happen to my loved ones, I would fight harder! Avoid all situations if you can, killing someone is not easy....we are trained to do it, but angela is right it does haunt you. *bows respectfully* |
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Post by random on Dec 5, 2005 10:48:51 GMT
lol, just keep grassing m,e up to the admin "maskedman". Why not do the honourable thing and fight your own battles? Not that I'm bothered about fighting with you. If you ignore my posts and stay away from me then I'll do the same with you. Right, please stop this now. You have been warned enough. Unless you have conclusive proof that Maskedman is not who he says he I then I ask you for the final time to please stop this petty, childish bickering about identities. Karate Resource is a place for positive discussion about martial arts and any deviation from that aim will not be tolerated, especially by new members. Aefibird, I like it when you are cross. I am off to Meadowhall next weekend. |
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Post by random on Dec 5, 2005 10:50:33 GMT
As for getting into a fight with my wife present, I feel sorry for them that start it, I really do, she would knock em senseless.
As to killing someone…who would want to be in that position? Isn’t the point of MA is knowing how not to kill someone but still stay safe (this is paradoxical). I think we may see more cases of burglars crowned with clubs and bats now the law has changed in England…but if you want to stay out of a fight don’t go into any town centre on a weekend.
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 5, 2005 17:01:37 GMT
Aefibird, I like it when you are cross. You oughta see me if I ever get wound up when I'm sparring. ;D I am off to Meadowhall next weekend. Don't go starting any fights!!  |
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Post by darkstar on Dec 7, 2005 11:58:12 GMT
It's easy to become paranoid and think every teenage lad in a hooded top is a mugger in stockwell that's a pretty fair assumption. also if you look a bit foreign and run in the tube station there the police will shoot you eight times in the head. |
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Post by rikimaru on Dec 7, 2005 14:32:49 GMT
Edited by Aefibird due to offensive nature of post.
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, so they can get up again and rejoin the ranks.
