continuing "Full Contact" discussion

[kataguurl78]

Mods, is it ok to do this? I was in the middle of answering Darkstar when that thread got locked due to bad language. Please let me know if I've done the wrong thing

ok i'll be serious, mainly because now i'm starting to wonder if maybe you're fit

hehe darkstar lets keep this on topic

i also found that once or twice in encounters at school i steamed into my opponent with a volley of chest shots (which are are pretty ineffective in the real world) and realised i was programming myself to do something useless due to the rules of the style.

I don't fully agree with you here, although I see where you are coming from. If you watch the top Japanese knockdown champions in action you will notice that they have a very relaxed yet powerful body punching style with real stopping power on a single shot. It is very different to body punching in boxing due to the lack of gloves.

Stopping power in bare knuckle can be further increased by using different fist/knucle confugurations which minimise striking surface area. This information is found in karate and mostly not in gloved styles.

I think so long as you combine kyokushin with a head punching style you are getting the best of both worlds.

PS I love Kata so more is good! ;D

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[AngelaG]

Feel free to carry on the discussion However I'm afraid darkstar has been banned.

[MasterH]

Well, I'm still here to bounce opinions and thoughts off of.

Knuckle configurations, can you expand on this? I'm a TKD stylist and only fallow the two knuckle lead rule.

[kataguurl78]

Was he causing trouble? Oh well.

Master H thanks for the reply! By fist shapes I mean things like knife hand, ridge hand and all the usual ones but also things like single knuckle punches. I have a good link which details most of these shapes:

www.mg-3d.com/lesson4.html

Its a kung fu page but you will notice it also contains some fists common to Karate. I find that the Motobu fist is great because it stops me jamming my thumb.

For delivering a knockout body blow I would use something that minimises contact area like a phoenix fist. Please note the phoenix fist I have been shown is the index finger with thumb supporting, not the middle finger as shown on that website.

These kinds of fist are good because they act as force multipliers!

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[MasterH]

That makes more sense to me. We use open hand configurations as well, Knifehand, Ridgehand, long punch, traditional fist, palmheal..........and the such.

I love ridgehands!

[Aefibird]

kataguurl, in Kyokushin do you punch mainly with vertical or horizontal fist?
I know very little about Kyokushin, so you will have to forgive my ignorance!

In my karate dojo we mostly use horizontal fist position (striking with the first 2 knuckles), but occasional use of vertical fist has been known.

I also train in Wing Chun and we use vertical fist, striking with the bottom 2 or the bottom 3 knuckles of the hand.

[kataguurl78]

Master H: I love ridgehands too! Its one of my favourite moves.

Aefibird: Kyokushin is influenced by both Shotokan and Goju styles so both the horizontal and vertical fists are found in the katas. However in practice its mostly the horizontal fist that is used. I think this might have something to do with the amount of body punching we do; the 2 knuckle horizontal punch is a good basic punch for hitting to the body.

If I was punching a hard target like the head I would be more likely to use the vertical fist (less likely to break).

Hope this answers your question!

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[maskedman]

kataguurl78 said:

Master H: I love ridgehands too! Its one of my favourite moves.

Aefibird: Kyokushin is influenced by both Shotokan and Goju styles so both the horizontal and vertical fists are found in the katas. However in practice its mostly the horizontal fist that is used. I think this might have something to do with the amount of body punching we do; the 2 knuckle horizontal punch is a good basic punch for hitting to the body.

If I was punching a hard target like the head I would be more likely to use the vertical fist (less likely to break).

Hope this answers your question!

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I think that the general philosophy...well in Hap Kido anyway...is soft strike to hard areas, eg palm heel to the chin, slap to the ears....hard strike to the soft areas...fist to the throat, stomach and groin!

*bows respectfully*

[Aefibird]

maskedman said:

I think that the general philosophy...well in Hap Kido anyway...is soft strike to hard areas, eg palm heel to the chin, slap to the ears....hard strike to the soft areas...fist to the throat, stomach and groin!

Yes, that is always a good rule to remember. Bone-on-bone strikes are often more likely to cause damage an injury to the person striking, rather than the recipiant. Soft areas hitting hard areas and vice versa is an important rule to remember.

Kataguurl - thanks for the info!