Heian Godan

[Mr. Precision]

sionnagh said:

Anyway, the kosa dachi before a turn I would say can often be applied as a throw, most often seems to be a hip or shoulder throw. Or a variant thereof.

judoinfo.com is one site which has clips and animations of such things, o goshi and seoinage are a couple worth looking at for this.

Not convinced on the hip throw at the moment, seems like too unstable a stance if the opponent's still on 2 legs and the following movement is up and back rather than round and down. Excellent judo site BTW.

[Mr. Precision]

random said:

Imagination over spoon fed.

Quite right, It's my interpretation of the movement.

My justification comes from the movement towards the opponent from the kiba dachi, the vectors of the centre of mass are straight lines, even when you turn and face back the way you came, the hips hardly move.

Something like this:
judoinfo.com/images/nauta/kosogake.gif
Though I'm not entirely convinced that they wouldn't just step back with their other leg with this particular one. Have to try it out on a willing victim^H^H^H^H^Htraining partner.

Heian Sandan on the other hand at the end the hips and centre of mass are rotating 180° to the left and down into a kiba dachi. It fairly screams hip throw.

[Sionnagh]

OK I think we have a difference in terminology. Our hip throws have a narrow base - the feet are fairly close together. A wide base like a kiba dachi would be more often considered to be found in a leg throw. Mere details...


Mick

[Mr. Precision]

sionnagh said:

OK I think we have a difference in terminology. Our hip throws have a narrow base - the feet are fairly close together.

The throw starts prior to the 180° rotation with the feet fairly close together, rotating on the ball of the right foot, I see the kiba dachi as a result of the lowering of the hips and throw rather than part of it. I'll

Actually the second movement in that sequence, the shift to the right could be another type of throw because you're already in kiba dachi and there's no rotation. Lower your hips to escape a bear hug, he said.