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Post by darkstar on Nov 27, 2005 15:07:20 GMT
cool.
cant argue with that, in fact tai chi is basically a form, or kata if you prefer, with proven health & well being benefits. you can do it for many years and still be learning aspects of it, & it can be immensely beneficial in many ways.
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Post by Shorin Ryu Sensei on Nov 27, 2005 15:55:15 GMT
Yeah but not all of us do Karate for the purpose of street fighting. Granted it'll give us an edge in a fight but Karate isn't about street fighting in the slightest. It's about skill, accuracy, character development and a respect for other people. I disagree in general. There are exceptions of course, such as shotokan was developed to teach children in the schools, not as a fighting method. Okinawan karate on the other hand was developed as a fighting method. Not for sport, but for self-preservation. |
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Post by darkstar on Nov 28, 2005 15:32:01 GMT
Yeah but not all of us do Karate for the purpose of street fighting. Granted it'll give us an edge in a fight but Karate isn't about street fighting in the slightest. It's about skill, accuracy, character development and a respect for other people. I disagree in general. There are exceptions of course, such as shotokan was developed to teach children in the schools, not as a fighting method. Okinawan karate on the other hand was developed as a fighting method. Not for sport, but for self-preservation. i think most Martial Arts were originally for that purpose. evolution applies to human activity pretty much as it applies to the species, and obviously some styles inevitably become watered down versions with different aims or lose the original "intent" due to the evolution of human culture meaning that it is no longer needed in the same way. i didnt know that about shotakan though, is that true? |
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Post by andym on Nov 28, 2005 15:40:52 GMT
I haven't had a fight in the street since my early teens and Shotokan Karate fits my needs perfectly.
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Post by darkstar on Nov 28, 2005 15:45:42 GMT
makes sense i suppose.
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Post by AngelaG on Nov 28, 2005 15:55:05 GMT
I don't think Shotokan was specifically developed for school children. Itosu developed the Pinan/Heian Kata for school children that is true, and the popularity of Shotokan and the fact that Funakoshi Gichin managed to popularise it so successfully in Japan mean that it was embraced by the school system; but I think this was a result rather than an aim. From reading My Way of Life I would say that Funakoshi's main aim was to develop karate as a postive factor in daily life, physically and mentally. This was aimed at everyone, not just at school children. If anything it was pushed more within the University systems than the school systems.
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Post by Aefibird on Nov 28, 2005 17:18:46 GMT
in fact tai chi is basically a form, or kata if you prefer, with proven health & well being benefits. you can do it for many years and still be learning aspects of it, & it can be immensely beneficial in many ways. Yes....but Tai Chi is also a very deadly fighting art, especially when the form is trained correctly. It's just that many teachers of Tai Chi out there have learned their knowledge on a weekend instructors course and think that the health benefits are all there are to it.  |
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Post by darkstar on Nov 28, 2005 18:14:42 GMT
aha. i'm curious as to the extent of your knowledge on this. please elaborate?
i'm pretty sure 99% of regular tai chi-ers are about as deadly as a wet paper bag if restricted purely to that to fight with.
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Post by steelwire1 on Nov 28, 2005 18:20:59 GMT
Haha, Kev.
I might go so far as to say 100%, you know me mate, never one to hold back! There is a taichi fighter in cagerage at the moment but he has a poor record, so to speak.
Nice one,
Steve
'chow gar family student wef 1985'
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Post by Aefibird on Nov 29, 2005 22:26:20 GMT
aha. i'm curious as to the extent of your knowledge on this. please elaborate? i'm pretty sure 99% of regular tai chi-ers are about as deadly as a wet paper bag if restricted purely to that to fight with. I'd agree with you on that percentage too. Many Tai Chi practitioners have absolutely no concept of the deadly nature of TC as a fighting art. They see it simply as a healthy 'ritual'. I have trained with GM Kongjie Gou and his student, Master Liming Yue. Grandmaster Gou holds one of the highest levels of certification that it is possible to obtain in Tai Chi (a 10th Duan Wei certified by Chinese Government) and is also classed as one of "China's National Living Treasures". Master Yue holds a 7th Duan Wei, certified by the Chinese National Martial Arts Association of Beijing. He has been studying Tai Chi since the early 70's and is an 11th Generation Chen Master. To watch either of these two Masters in action is truly incredible. GM Gou is an elederly man and yet looks no older than someone in their late 40's/early 50's, a fact which he attributes solely to Tai Chi. His technique and mastery of his art is amazing to watch and GM Gou and M Yue leave me in no doubt that Tai Chi is one of the deadliest Martial Arts around when trained correctly. |
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Post by darkstar on Nov 30, 2005 9:54:03 GMT
there's the relevant word, Chen.
Yang practitioners are mostly deluding themselves as to the validity of their art as a fighting system.
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Post by andym on Nov 30, 2005 10:00:00 GMT
Yang practitioners are mostly deluding themselves as to the validity of their art as a fighting system. In your opinion they are. |
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Post by darkstar on Nov 30, 2005 10:14:43 GMT
Yang practitioners are mostly deluding themselves as to the validity of their art as a fighting system. In your opinion they are. hmm. no, i stand by my statement. i did say "mostly" and if the short form is all you have to go on, and you have to use only that in real combat, you're pretty screwed. |
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Post by andym on Nov 30, 2005 10:48:57 GMT
That's an opinion, not a statement.
And why does everything MA have to relate to 'real combat' with you? I don't do MA so I'm able to fight in the street, I could probably fight in the street without it, I'm a big lad.
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Post by random on Nov 30, 2005 11:02:42 GMT
Since starting MA I have not had to fight on the street (I don’t count being paid for it), and street fighting is the furthest thing from my mind when I train, even though as some of you know I often get into uncomfortable situations (other posts) I haven’t had to hit anyone.
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