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Post by AngelaG on Jul 20, 2005 11:19:42 GMT
Sure I agree. Knowing how to deal with all situations, including being on the ground is a good idea if training for SD.
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Post by andym on Jul 20, 2005 11:25:04 GMT
In all honesty I would stand a chance on the ground  |
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 20, 2005 11:28:10 GMT
In all honesty I would stand a chance on the ground You would? I'd like to think I'm handier on the ground than I was when I started training, but I can't say for sure - and it's very hard to judge one's own skill levels. |
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Post by andym on Jul 20, 2005 11:30:30 GMT
If I went to the ground I would have to rely more on strength than skill I think. We've done a little groundwork in class but nothing that has armed me with relevant skills to grapple.
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Post by Aefibird on Jul 20, 2005 21:37:06 GMT
I'd think I'd be alright on the ground - we do ground fighting in my karate dojo and I've also done Aikido (which does incorporate ground stuff too - it's not all about escaping from wrist grabs!  ). However, 'alright' is about the word that covers it - I'm OK and would be able to hold my own, but probably get the crud choked out of me if I was up against a person with more ground experience. A small case in point is me & my brither. He's done a lot of Judo training and when he comes up to Yorkshire to visit we often have 'play' fights in the back garden. I'm much quicker and better at striking than he is, so if I can keep the 'fight' from going to the ground then I usually win it, but if he manages to get me on the floor then it's most likely that he's gonna win because ground fighting is all he trains in. Sure, I can hold my own and keep him off for a while, but he's better at Judo than I am (not difficult seen as I've never trained in it!) and he usually gets the upper hand. I know that's only ONE scenario out of ten zillion, but it goes to show that a good ground fighter will do best on the ground and a good striker will do better at stand up. That's why if you need the 'edge' then cross training is the way to go. However, the old "striking vs grappling" argument is a little skewed. No two fighters are alike, just as no two fights are alike. Saying that the ground specialist will beat a striking specialist is just plain wrong IMO. Yes, Joe Bloggs who trains in BJJ may beat Tom Smith the karateka in one match but that just don't prove owt, except that Joe Bloggs was *perhaps* the better fighter on that day. I prefer striking to grappling, but I like practising it...just in case.... Plus, the more I practise my ground work, the more likely it is that I'll be able to beat my brother next time we have one of our 'play' fights. In the world of martial arts sibling rivalry that is all that counts... ;D |
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Post by malcolmtent on Jul 21, 2005 0:22:31 GMT
"and it's very hard to judge one's own skill levels."
How about sparing or competing?
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Post by Aefibird on Jul 21, 2005 16:55:30 GMT
Sparring (to a rule set) and competitions (ditto) can only prove so much. Every sparring session and every competition is different. However, that doesn't mean that they don't have their benefits.
I'm into realistic karate, but I also enter competitions occasionally too. I like to 'prove' to myself that I can do it and I also like the fact that it's fun. Sure, it's not 'real' karate and it doesn't provide a great way to test myself or my abilities, but it's one way that I can use.
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Post by random on Jul 21, 2005 17:34:12 GMT
Well said
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Post by Aefibird on Jul 23, 2005 18:16:06 GMT
Thanks!  |
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Post by miffersy on Oct 13, 2005 21:20:19 GMT
Hi,
IMHO I think that the MA's are a personal thing and anyone can take something from each, this may just be one technique that suits them.
I know as an ageing Karate-ka that some moves I loved 20-25 years ago do not suit my present day style hence, in my present day style I lean more towards Karate-Jutsu than the traditional styles.
So in conclusion I can take critisism but how can people mock the kicking techniques of TKD or the fluidity in movement in Wu Shu or Aikido and even the effectiveness of groundwork in Ju-Jitsu. No IMO there ar no poor syles of MA but there are poor Instructors out there.
Remember all Instuctors are BB's but not all BB's are Instructors
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Post by AngelaG on Oct 13, 2005 21:26:38 GMT
Remember all Instuctors are BB's Hmmm, I think this is a generalisation. In fact I'm pretty sure there were some well know Japanese instructors that were teaching at green belt.... anyone know who this was?? |
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Post by miffersy on Oct 13, 2005 21:42:10 GMT
No Angela I did not mean it as a generalisation, just stressing that a BB does not immediately make you a teacher of your style.
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Post by Andy on Oct 15, 2005 12:19:43 GMT
Something I'd like to add, related to the initial post.
you know, the very best MA people I have met, never say anything negative about any MA.
They might think it, but usually they reserve their judgement.
If you talk to Marc Denny of DBMA, Dan Inosanto (*cough JK-D), Rick Young, Geoff Thompson etc, they are not about bashing other systems or styles.
If something has value, they acknowledge that, and ignore what is irrelevant to them, appreciating that everyone has different needs and motivating factors.
It's the same on forums, the best posters quietly get on with looking at what interests them, if neccessary correcting misinformation in a detached impersonal manner.
As I said elsewhere a long time ago.
If we were all ultimate street warriors, we'd be off to Iraq, or hurling bricks at passersby, not hanging around discussion forums.
Those that are on them to mock, are wasting their own time as well as everyone elses.
They're typically between 14 and 30, the worst section being the 14 to 20 agegroup, and don't have the foundation of training to be sitting in judgement on their peers.
One springs to mind in particular.
Posts as Notquitedead, Chilu or Pankration90.
He's probably 15 now, but when I first encountered him he was 14, had two months or so of training under his belt and his intro post called a bunch of other MA people 'crackheads'.
He actually writes quite well for his age, but you can tell, he's sitting beside his computer with the MA books his doting parents bought him for Xmas, frantically cross referencing data to fuel the arguements he loves.
See this is the problem with the internet.
If he came to a class of mine, and acted the way he does online, he's not even old enough to get kicked up and down the Dojo.
The catch 22 too many forums get caught up in IMHO, is that they want to present a medium for free speech.
Sorry, no.
If I don't like you, if you irritate me, if your spelling and grammar are incomprehensible, if you're into Anime, or fantasize about your MMA hero's etc I have no time for you, and I'll say so.
MA forums should be places where people can go and share information in a mature manner without having to second guess every post or poster.
Angela & Co do a good job here.
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Post by miffersy on Oct 15, 2005 16:56:45 GMT
Hi,
In response to Andy's post I must say I agree totally.
Although I would like to add that people who have trained in MA for many years are some of the nicest people you can meet even outside the MA arena.
What reason do they have to be any different, the confidence gained through MA shines through.
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Post by Andy on Oct 16, 2005 0:48:30 GMT
Hi, In response to Andy's post I must say I agree totally. Although I would like to add that people who have trained in MA for many years are some of the nicest people you can meet even outside the MA arena. What reason do they have to be any different, the confidence gained through MA shines through. True. I dunno, there are also a lot of very experienced MA people I have met who are dismissive of other MA. Individuals with a lot of experience and acheivements. Human nature will out, but I agree that 'staying the course' in general tends to breed out the worst elements. The most 'noise', tends to come from those in it for the short term. It'll be somebody else tommorrow, just like it was somebody else yesterday. |
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