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Post by maskedman on Dec 4, 2005 23:33:18 GMT
There is a woman who just got promoted out of begginers to whitebelt....after a few weeks she was asked by the instructor why she had no dobok...her response, "I bought one but it makes me look fat, so I wont wear it!" She isnt fat, just chubby in the right places :wink: !
I remember standing there in line, eyes in front, game face on...and I just thought to myself "does the zoo make the elephant look fat!" I was shocked, talking to the instructor like that, but he just kindly told her to wear her dobok or dont attend. If that was me who said it, he would have had me doing up downs till I puked........that was wrong. Why are instructors more gentle with women......I think that is wrong they come to train, so lets all train on the same level. I mean angela or aefibird would probabbly take great offense if I went down the line hurling strikes and grounding people full force till I got to them than went slow, because they are women!
What do you think, should you hit women as hard as you hit men?.....they have a higher threshold for pain, than we do!
*bows respectfully*
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Post by rikimaru on Dec 5, 2005 2:24:50 GMT
It's not about gender, but rather size and ability. Usually men are bigger and heavier than women, and so you "go easier" just as you would a smaller guy. Also, it depends on the attitude and personality of the woman. If she's all prissy and shy then ofcourse you will be gentle with her. However, if she's one of those types that wants to tear your head off, then fight her like a man.
That said, some prejudices are very hard to avoid. I have to admit that I would feel a bit uncomfortable grappling with a woman. I suppose it's sexist in a way. But still, how many guys here would be able to grapple with an attractive woman the same way they would a big, sweaty, ugly man?
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Post by Andy on Dec 5, 2005 2:42:18 GMT
But still, how many guys here would be able to grapple with an attractive woman the same way they would a big, sweaty, ugly man? Not an issue for me, but Freud would have loved you as a case study. Good luck. |
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Post by maskedman on Dec 5, 2005 2:44:20 GMT
It's not about gender, but rather size and ability. Usually men are bigger and heavier than women, and so you "go easier" just as you would a smaller guy. Also, it depends on the attitude and personality of the woman. If she's all prissy and shy then ofcourse you will be gentle with her. However, if she's one of those types that wants to tear your head off, then fight her like a man. That said, some prejudices are very hard to avoid. I have to admit that I would feel a bit uncomfortable grappling with a woman. I suppose it's sexist in a way. But still, how many guys here would be able to grapple with an attractive woman the same way they would a big, sweaty, ugly man? That is very sexist, a attacker wont care if she is prissy...we shouldnt "take it easy" on any small man, or woman...how are we then preparing them for combat....are we really giving them what they paid for, they come to learn to defend themselves...how can they do that if you dont attack them...how wil they get the feel for techniques, the strength required etc. I would actually prfer to grapple a sweaty attractive woman ;D ;D ;D, but no I have no problem switching off my gender switch and fighting them like a piece of meat...it is mental, I see everyone in my class as meat, not man or woman, just Judokas/Hapkidoists....makes life easier! |
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Post by AngelaG on Dec 5, 2005 9:06:24 GMT
You have to look at it logically. When training oyo set pieces then I want to train with a guy that takes me seriously. However if I am training with a man who is much bigger than me then it's fairly obvious he would be able to pound me into submission, and neither of us will gain anything by him doing it. I got to the dojo for a variety of reasons, none of those are to be beaten to a pulp. Let's face it, how many of us would agree with boxing where the featherweights were suddenly put in with the heavyweights. So it's not about taking it easier on women, it's about understanding everyone's limitations, and respecting that in the dojo. After all we are talking about training partners not real attackers. I kind of go by the rule that one should give what they get. If a woman is training hard and getting a few digs in then match her for power - hopefully after a while we should all have the control to be able to control ourselves  |
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Post by random on Dec 5, 2005 10:17:43 GMT
I would never go easy on anybody, but at the same time I would never go full on, although I do like to make one exception now and again. I think that this is one of the few good reasons to be able to instantly asses the level of competence, be that a belt, position in dojo, whatever, the how doesn’t matter. I then have a good idea of where that person ought to be in their MA training. Purple belts get less than brown with two stripes, ;D I want to encourage the purple belt while challenging them physically and mentally, And the same with the brown with two stripes, although they will have had more training so should be able to take a little more. (this isn’t a fool proof way, I have been training 25 years and still wear a brown belt) The important thing is we all have to go to work/sign on the next day. The only problem with gender issues comes down to trust, when I was new to my club no one new me I new no one, so there was naturally some reticence about close physical contact until levels of trust were established. And if trust is there then it is possible to go in harder, to block harder etc, because both parties know and trust each other, gender doesn’t enter into it. |
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Post by MasterH on Dec 5, 2005 14:31:02 GMT
I gave a woman a concussion once, I was chastised by my peers, and I will never spar women the same again. Forget about equality, in our society it will never happen.
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Post by andym on Dec 5, 2005 15:48:34 GMT
Women only ever want to be treated equal on certain things! ;D
Oooh controversial!
*runs*
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 5, 2005 17:16:32 GMT
Women only ever want to be treated equal on certain things! ;D Oooh controversial! *runs* I hope you're well trained in the art of "Nike-Do" Andy!! Angela, you take the left, I'll get him from the right.... ;D ;D |
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 5, 2005 17:23:15 GMT
Actually, I'd get a bit offended if I felt that men weren't treating me as equal training partners. I'd rather go home from the dojo battered and bruised but knowing that I have a better chance of survival on the street than if I train with someone who will pull their punches or not attack me as they would another man, just because I happen to be a female in a gi, rather than a bloke. That's why I like it when Sensei demonstrates on me. Yes, it can hurt, but he keeps on asking me to be uke. We've had women in my dojo who have screamed in agony when being demonstration dummy for the evening, even when a technique hasn't hurt, they've just made a big fuss. Sensei has never asked them to partner up with him again, which i think is a real shame. You can learn a lot from being the demo person, even if you usually end up getting a repeatedly close-up view of the dojo floor. I think that some women like to play the equality game only when it suits them - if being 'equal' to men means they get something out of it then they'll go along with it. As soon as being 'equal' means they have to change or do something they don't like then they'll wriggle out of it, which is wrong IMO and gives other women in martial arts a bad name. |
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Post by miffersy on Dec 5, 2005 19:55:53 GMT
Hi,
Personally, IMHO I believe irrespective of your Gender you must train in the way you wish to react out on the streets. So it is of no use mollycoddling any Student.
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Post by rikimaru on Dec 6, 2005 17:30:57 GMT
lol @ maskedman calling me sexist. What a load of crap saying it's sexist just because you go easier on a saller woman. Agreed an attacker wont go easier on a small woman but beating the crap out of her in the gym wont help her much with that either. To be honest if you hit women just as hard as men in your "dojo" then you shouldn't even be practicing martial arts, let alone teaching.
And Andy:
It's not an issue for you because you don't grapple. And please don't come on saying "you don't know anything about me". Your right I don't, however, I do know that you refuse to say anything about your training or prove what you do. So as far as I'm concerned you have no grappling experience whatsoever. And as for the freud comment ... yeah I would have been a great case study for him to prove that young heterosexual males are attracted to good looking women and not fat, sweaty men ... Hoorah for freud!
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Post by random on Dec 6, 2005 17:56:48 GMT
Actually all of Sigmund’s experiments have been disproved or proved to be inaccurate.
Why so argumentative with Andy, it was obviously meant as a joke.
Stop being a pedant, And get a grip on reality.
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Post by Aefibird on Dec 6, 2005 17:57:30 GMT
A short reminder: Please keep all posts on topic and respectful. Thanks.  |
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Post by maskedman on Dec 7, 2005 0:47:35 GMT
lol @ maskedman calling me sexist. What a load of crap saying it's sexist just because you go easier on a saller woman. Agreed an attacker wont go easier on a small woman but beating the crap out of her in the gym wont help her much with that either. To be honest if you hit women just as hard as men in your "dojo" then you shouldn't even be practicing martial arts, let alone teaching. ] The idea of treating someone as an inferior for any reason is a ist list that is sizeist, strengthist, sexist...what you are saying. We dont hit men full force in my dojo (mainly because its Judo), or in my dojang, but we apply equal force across the board...I hit the small ones as hard as I hit the big ones. As for the comments to me practicing MA...well perhaps you could tell the Mods (grassing you up again), why in you wealth of experience and your many years of training that you think this to be true! Any one who thinks of women as inferior to men is a sexist..any one who treats women in a way implying they are inferior is a sexist! Its that simple! As for grappling...I studied Judo for 18 years....we have no problem grappling women, they get hurt we get hurt, but they dont expect us to take it easy on them...that would be rude! Maybe keep your hormones in check! |
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