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Post by AngelaG on Aug 1, 2005 20:59:45 GMT
Mrprecision Rest assured I will not be moderating anyone's posts based on what bunkai knowledge they contain. I just think, as a personal decision, there are some things that I am not at present happy at sharing on this forum - for the reasons stated above.  |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Aug 1, 2005 21:56:43 GMT
Mrprecision Rest assured I will not be moderating anyone's posts based on what bunkai knowledge they contain. I just think, as a personal decision, there are some things that I am not at present happy at sharing on this forum - for the reasons stated above. Oh I'm not worried about that. Forums with moderation aren't a democracy after all, you just join in and accept it or go somewhere else and, I do respect your opinion though I disagree with it. Sorry, I can go off on a crusade on some issues; liberty/rights/responsibilites, electoral systems, microsoft and a couple of others. I can spot a deliberate troll a mile off, for those lurking. Well defused BTW. |
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Post by Sionnagh on Aug 2, 2005 6:09:47 GMT
And how do I ensure that children do not view this site? I can't! All participants must be over 13 but the majority of the site is open access for anyone to read. But in this example you're taking responsibility for another persons child. The responsibility lies with the parent. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you also have the situation exampled here where you're saying the parent should be responsible for what their child accesses on the net (which btw I quite agree). In reality though I think it's just as likely said parent would claim the board ought to be held responsible for what their child might do as a result of something they read. It's a quick-fix society, where everyone wants someone else to be responsible and someone has to take the blame. Often it seems the ones who yell loudest are those who are trying hardest to shift their responsibilities elsewhere...   Mick |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Aug 2, 2005 22:07:41 GMT
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you also have the situation exampled here where you're saying the parent should be responsible for what their child accesses on the net (which btw I quite agree). Not only what they access on the net, but also how they behave. We have kids stealing cars and joy riding. That isn't the car owner's fault, it's the parents. |
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Post by AngelaG on Aug 2, 2005 22:20:05 GMT
Is it not the child's fault then  |
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Post by Mr. Precision on Aug 2, 2005 22:28:37 GMT
Is it not the child's fault then Not till they're an adult in the eyes of the law. 16 in Scotland, I don't know for England. If a child commits a crime the parents or guardian should be prosecuted. |
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Post by AngelaG on Aug 2, 2005 22:33:21 GMT
That's ridiculous. A teenager is perfectly capable of telling right from wrong - and short of imprisoning them in a house what is a parent supposed to do? Bad children can arise from bad parenting, but the simple fact is that teenages often get into trouble as they grow up and test societies boundaries. In a household it is possible to have two children, both raised from the same parents and one knuckles down and is no trouble, whilst the other one creates havoc.
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Post by random on Aug 2, 2005 22:42:14 GMT
It is indicative of today’s society to always look to blame other people, kids misbehave, it’s the parents fault, its the teachers fault, but most of them know what they are doing is wrong. Even the real dingbats
We have to take responsibility for our own actions, and if our actions influence the actions of others then there are two responsibilities, ours for influence and theirs for doing it.
Of course you could take the moral free zone of I write it, you read it, you try it, your problem. But where does that lead.
We can also take the stance that it is someone else’s fault. Parents for Internet access et al. Where does that lead us?
IMO the only real way to share these things is to use Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Mandarin, what ever floats your boat, that way we do two things, we wheedle out those who don’t actually know what they are on about and we also remove any chance of anybody, except those in the know from reading it and trying it. Of course if practice in the colloquial then you have a problem, sorry, but that really is not my fault.
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Post by Mr. Precision on Aug 3, 2005 11:45:42 GMT
That's ridiculous. A teenager is perfectly capable of telling right from wrong - and short of imprisoning them in a house what is a parent supposed to do? Bad children can arise from bad parenting, but the simple fact is that teenages often get into trouble as they grow up and test societies boundaries. In a household it is possible to have two children, both raised from the same parents and one knuckles down and is no trouble, whilst the other one creates havoc. It's not ridiculous. Who else is responsible for the way the kids have been brought up? Kids spend more time in the company of their parents than anyone else as they grow. If they don't instill a moral and ethical code then who can? The kids aren't going to instill it themselves and schools are there to teach facts rather than act as surrogates. Kids grow up to be like their parents, if the kids are irresponsible thugs you can bet nine times out of ten that the parents are just the same and the other one time out of ten they've completely failed to teach the kid that there are consequences for their actions. Parents are legally responsible for the safety and wellbeing of their kids now, they should also be legally responsible for their behavior. |
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Post by AngelaG on Aug 3, 2005 11:51:27 GMT
Hmmmmmm. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one...
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Post by random on Aug 3, 2005 11:54:04 GMT
A very idealistic view of the world, schools do act in Loco Parentis, and as such have a responsibility to develop well rounded individuals. Not just deal out facts.
Most children spend very little time in the company of their parents; look at the amount of families with both parents in full time employment with the kids in paid childcare out of the family environment.
Fortunately kids don’t all grow up to be like their parents…just imagine some of the offspring.
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Post by Mr. Precision on Aug 3, 2005 12:06:14 GMT
It is indicative of today’s society to always look to blame other people, kids misbehave, it’s the parents fault, its the teachers fault, but most of them know what they are doing is wrong. Even the real dingbats Sure they do, yes. But in the eyes of the law they're not responsible adults. At the moment there's no feedback loop. There are no consequences. If a kid goes out and steals a car he gets a warning, "don't do it again, or else". Then the next seventy times he does it he gets exactly the same warning. The parents aren't legally responsible, there's no comeback on them so they just stand by and let it happen just as irresponsibly. e.g. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1907189.stm |
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Post by AngelaG on Aug 3, 2005 12:10:03 GMT
A very idealistic view of the world, schools do act in Loco Parentis, and as such have a responsibility to develop well rounded individuals. Not just deal out facts. Most children spend very little time in the company of their parents; look at the amount of families with both parents in full time employment with the kids in paid childcare out of the family environment. Fortunately kids don’t all grow up to be like their parents…just imagine some of the offspring. Absolutely! Just think, if that were true then we'd pretty much be absolved from all blame if we could prove we had bad parents. I think moral responsibility comes down to each and every individual, and moral culpability is achieved a lot younger than 16 years old. I was fully aware of the implications of right and wrong way back in my primary school days. Interesting site: www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs/tyc1.html |
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Post by andym on Aug 3, 2005 12:11:07 GMT
The boy's mother said: "If the justice system had clamped down on him in the beginning, then maybe things would have been different now." That makes me sooooo angry! Parents have to take some sort of responsibility for their children. But then again if we are blaming parents then we should blame the government: The latest appearance came as UK Government ministers encouraged youth courts across England and Wales to go easy on first-time offenders. 
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Post by random on Aug 3, 2005 12:19:16 GMT
Parents should take responsibility; the trouble is they don’t, won’t, can’t, whatever, choose an excuse.
Then the courts and the judicial system fail society.
But this returns us to the first point, we have to take responsibility for the actions we take/write. And if that means bringing a child into the world we have to take responsibility for it, if we influence this child then we take responsibility, if they mess up they have to take responsibility, and on and on.
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