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Post by jones on Jul 19, 2005 9:25:11 GMT
This may be in the wrong section. If it is then I apologise.
I went to a TKD club the other day (TAGB I think) and I noticed that the sparring didn't look anything like the line work and patterns. I noticed the same about Karate too.
I thought this was interesting and would like to hear some oppinions on it. Do you think sparring should resemble kata etc? If so what should be altered, the Kata or the sparring?
Do you see sparring as a way of testing your techniques against a live opponent?
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Post by andym on Jul 19, 2005 9:47:15 GMT
Free sparring shouldn't look anything like line work (kihon) or Kata IMO.
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 19, 2005 10:16:29 GMT
It depends. Different groups will do different types of sparring. Some do full contact, some do no contact. Some people do dojo sparring, where grabs and throws are permitted etc.
So for some clubs sparring and line work should gel with the forms; for others the kata/oyo etc. is the self-defence offshoot and the sparring and line work are the sports element.
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Post by boris on Jul 19, 2005 10:55:42 GMT
If the kata and oho is the self-defence, then shouldn't it be even more Alive than the sparring?
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 19, 2005 11:04:38 GMT
If the kata and oho is the self-defence, then shouldn't it be even more Alive than the sparring? Who said it wasn't? |
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Post by boris on Jul 19, 2005 13:16:42 GMT
If the kata and oho is the self-defence, then shouldn't it be even more Alive than the sparring? Who said it wasn't? Is kata an alive training? |
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 19, 2005 13:23:20 GMT
Perhaps you want to explain to the audience what you mean by the phrase "alive" training. Not everyone is as up to date with the new trendy buzzwords.
Anyway, kata can be a part of a process - including kata/bunkai/oyo. Some clubs may well choose not to study those aspects of the whole, others may well do. That's the thing about humans, they tend to revel in diversity.
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Post by jones on Jul 19, 2005 16:47:10 GMT
I think boris may have meant that in kata nobody is there trying to prevent you from executing the movements. Nobody is really attacking you and so you are not pressured. You don't have to worry about what the opponent is doing because there isn'tone.
I'm not trying to diss kata. All I'm saying is that maybe the techniques from kata should be trained under pressure where someone is trying to evade, block, attack you. Sparring puts the pressure on an individual however my initial point was that the type of sparring we see rarely resembles the techniques from kata. Therefore, the only techniques that are being pressure tested are free sparring techniques.
Do you see what i'm saying?
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 19, 2005 17:20:04 GMT
I do see what your saying - but what I am saying is that just because people train kata does not mean that they are not being pressure tested in another layer. It's a facet of the whole. For example a boxer may shadow box, or punch bags, but he'll also fight a real opponent. In the same way with kata - a kata can be practiced on it's own - but there are many other levels when an opponent can be entered into an eqation.
The thing is a lot of karate dojo are sports orientated (which is cool if that's what they're interested in) - however this does not mean there are not people out there training from a more realistic approach.
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Post by boris on Jul 19, 2005 18:35:22 GMT
Do you think that kata is Alive AngelaG?
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Post by AngelaG on Jul 19, 2005 18:40:47 GMT
Tell you what, you tell me what you mean by that, and I'll give you my opinion. Don't skirt around a subject, come out and say what you mean.
If you have issues with the way you feel karateka train, that's fine, we welcome any intelligent debate. Perhaps we can start by what experience you have with karate, or any martial art, and what experiences you have with regards to kata/forms training?
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Post by boris on Jul 19, 2005 23:23:06 GMT
Andy, I hear that Jones trains at Isleworth LA Fitness on Monday nights at 20:30. I'm sure they'd welcome you.
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Post by malcolmtent on Jul 20, 2005 10:17:09 GMT
Is that Isleworth near twickenham rugby ground?
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Post by random on Jul 20, 2005 22:51:27 GMT
Sparing is just a good way of building up a sweat whatever you practice, it isn’t realistic, there are rules and regulations to follow, even in MMA and K1 they still follow rules. If you really want to know if you MA skills are up to it then go out and pick a fight with someone, fortunately this kind of behaviour only happens in films and in the myths and legends surrounding our various art forms.
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Post by jones on Jul 21, 2005 10:45:31 GMT
I disagree. Sparring is very important for getting used to dealing with someone who is trying to hit you.
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