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Post by pasmith on Jan 17, 2006 14:04:16 GMT
Aefi, Shidokan is still very small in the UK and basically is mostly populated by ex-Kyokushin guys. Because of that the Thai and grappling are not quite on a par with the Knockdown. I don't think anyone from the UK has had a proper go at Thai rules against a "proper" Thai boxer. Here's an interview with my instructor Steve after he did a Shidokan comp. He did two rounds of KD and one of Thai in that event. www.shukokarate.co.uk/pages/steve_comp.htmThe guys in Japan, Europe and the USA take it a bit more seriously. Names like Shonie Carter and Peter Angerer are familiar in MMA and come from Shidokan. |
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Post by maskedman on Jan 17, 2006 15:37:28 GMT
Interesting! Do some people really believe that testing their life is worth the cost of a human life?  I expected a range of responses but nothing quite so extreme. Perhaps gameshows like "The Running Man" aren't that far off after all. Well I believe that for a tournament to be gauged worthy of things and titles such as UFC no holds barred is no holds barred.....no ref no rules..i mean if you knocked him out and wanted to wlk away cool...but if you knocked him out and killed him anyway...cool...but your next fight will be a dozy because you got a rep as a killer...it will in some way tax your art at both ends the kill end and the peace end! |
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Post by Andy on Jan 17, 2006 20:22:24 GMT
I think the original question could be bettered perhaps, but your answer had no relevance to anything. It was the sort of thing a Troll or a child would write, complete with 'Caps Lock' As far as I'm concerned, you need to do better. If you want me, (and probably a few others on here) to take you seriously, you need to make more of an effort, cos that wasn't worth a response. You asked. You got. OHHH yes because i need your approval...please accept me Mr Andy...pppffttt! I answered the question..what type of tournament...a death match tournament...that is the only way to test true MA...and the true potential of its techniques....the rest is just sport. And for something that doesnt warrant a response...you gave me two so far...and one in made up french.....I will request humbly that you apologise for calling me a troll or I will take it up with the administration! Because what proof do you have...be careful how you defame people and bandy around accusations! Knock yourself out, but try growing up in your spare time. |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 17, 2006 20:48:51 GMT
Interesting! Do some people really believe that testing their life is worth the cost of a human life? I expected a range of responses but nothing quite so extreme. Perhaps gameshows like "The Running Man" aren't that far off after all. Well I believe that for a tournament to be gauged worthy of things and titles such as UFC no holds barred is no holds barred.....no ref no rules..i mean if you knocked him out and wanted to wlk away cool...but if you knocked him out and killed him anyway...cool...but your next fight will be a dozy because you got a rep as a killer...it will in some way tax your art at both ends the kill end and the peace end! ERRR, we're talking about DEATH here. Permanent death, whereby there's no getting up, shaking hands and going to the pub after. Where the family and friends will grieve for the love of a lost one. Where the person who has killed has to live every day knowing they have taken a life. No COMPETITION is worth death, and I personally would never see my name associated with an art that affiliated itself with such. Thankfully I believe that sanity will prevail on this one though. |
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Post by nkudahc on Jan 17, 2006 21:47:21 GMT
Interesting! Do some people really believe that testing their life is worth the cost of a human life? I expected a range of responses but nothing quite so extreme. Perhaps gameshows like "The Running Man" aren't that far off after all. Well I believe that for a tournament to be gauged worthy of things and titles such as UFC no holds barred is no holds barred.....no ref no rules..i mean if you knocked him out and wanted to wlk away cool...but if you knocked him out and killed him anyway...cool...but your next fight will be a dozy because you got a rep as a killer...it will in some way tax your art at both ends the kill end and the peace end! cool i'm pretty sure there is nothing cool about killing...perhaps you have watched a little too much tv? |
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Post by andym on Jan 18, 2006 9:37:01 GMT
Wether you kill in the ring or kill on the street....you'll still be liable to arrest for murder/manslaughter.
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Post by maskedman on Jan 18, 2006 12:20:01 GMT
If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do? Which part would be tested, and how? What would contact levels be like? What age ranges? What divisions would you have? Here is the question... If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do?...to me this meant no legal stuff...just putting fighters together! Which part would be tested, and how?Well the test would be survival...how through a true No Rules..No holds barred match! What would contact levels be like? To the death but not neccesarily..it would boil down to each individual! I think that I answered well within the boundries of the question! *bows respectfully* |
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Post by pasmith on Jan 18, 2006 13:21:51 GMT
Heh...I thought that was a dumb answer but now you've explained it it is the only real answer.  Martial arts are about winning fights so that is the only true test there can be. End of really. |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 18, 2006 14:47:55 GMT
If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do? Which part would be tested, and how? What would contact levels be like? What age ranges? What divisions would you have? Here is the question... If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do?...to me this meant no legal stuff...just putting fighters together! Which part would be tested, and how?Well the test would be survival...how through a true No Rules..No holds barred match! What would contact levels be like? To the death but not neccesarily..it would boil down to each individual! I think that I answered well within the boundries of the question! But every tournament has to think of the legalities, costs, and practabilities of the event they lay on. No one is above the law, and especially in order to try and prove some sort of infallability of a martial arts system (and the nonsenical logic behind such claims). Furthermore what about a moral responsibility, both from the promoters of such an event and for the individual participants within the tournament? Your answer would suit an answer to the question; "Ignoring all laws and personal ethical codes how can we prove whether someone is an effective fighter", but, in my opinion, does not effectivaly answer the question of entering within a ruled and sanctioned tournament. Just my opinion. |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 18, 2006 15:35:20 GMT
OHHH yes because i need your approval...please accept me Mr Andy...pppffttt! I answered the question..what type of tournament...a death match tournament...that is the only way to test true MA...and the true potential of its techniques....the rest is just sport. And for something that doesnt warrant a response...you gave me two so far...and one in made up french.....I will request humbly that you apologise for calling me a troll or I will take it up with the administration! Because what proof do you have...be careful how you defame people and bandy around accusations! Knock yourself out, but try growing up in your spare time. Andy, have you been taking your grumpy pills again? |
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Post by random on Jan 18, 2006 17:12:09 GMT
In fantasyland a fight to the death would be ok. Pick out a few death row prisoners and make them fight to the death, or even fight them yourself, why not even use other social groups as well, that way you could get to be president of some dodgy military state.
However hear on planet earth, who would want a fight to the death, or to even to risk being maimed. It all sounds too much like a concoction of Jean Claude Van Damm films (the clue is he has a girls name).
Of course the blame lies with the person who asked the question, now for most of us when asked to devise our perfect tournament think of better rules, starting on time, while others reach for their utility belt, light sabre, and their book on The Secret Art of Killing.
And so the moral is…if you are going to ask a question…make it specific…and include the word reality, and maybe a reference to planet earth.
One more thing
Can we eat the victims?
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Post by Aefibird on Jan 18, 2006 17:43:12 GMT
perfect tournament ... starting on time Pigs would be able to do a triple loop-the-loop before any karate tournament ever starts on time. |
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Post by maskedman on Jan 18, 2006 20:49:03 GMT
Here is the question... If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do?...to me this meant no legal stuff...just putting fighters together! Which part would be tested, and how?Well the test would be survival...how through a true No Rules..No holds barred match! What would contact levels be like? To the death but not neccesarily..it would boil down to each individual! I think that I answered well within the boundries of the question! But every tournament has to think of the legalities, costs, and practabilities of the event they lay on. No one is above the law, and especially in order to try and prove some sort of infallability of a martial arts system (and the nonsenical logic behind such claims). Furthermore what about a moral responsibility, both from the promoters of such an event and for the individual participants within the tournament? Your answer would suit an answer to the question; "Ignoring all laws and personal ethical codes how can we prove whether someone is an effective fighter", but, in my opinion, does not effectivaly answer the question of entering within a ruled and sanctioned tournament. Just my opinion. I explaine what i thought the question wa sabout..and how I interpreted it.....maybe next time we should all word our questions in full detail! *bows respectfully* |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 18, 2006 22:48:54 GMT
I clearly stated it was a tournament, this to me means that the average person will think within what is morally and socially acceptable.
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Post by maskedman on Jan 18, 2006 23:58:20 GMT
I clearly stated it was a tournament, this to me means that the average person will think within what is morally and socially acceptable. Yes you clearly stated that it si a toournament...... completly set to my specifications... to test the important aspects of my art!What aspect is more important than survival and all out attcks to survive....it may not be why people train...but you cannot tell me that survival and self defence and killing is not what MA was originally created for! *bows respectfully* |
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