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Post by AngelaG on Dec 30, 2005 19:08:17 GMT
If you had free rein to devise a tournament completely to your own specifications in order to test the important aspects of your art what would you do? Which part would be tested, and how? What would contact levels be like? What age ranges? What divisions would you have?
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Post by subzero72 on Dec 31, 2005 19:45:14 GMT
well I spar and do kata for sure I like to do a team kata too
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Post by subzero72 on Dec 31, 2005 19:46:39 GMT
hmm as for age range all ages of couse
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Post by Aefibird on Jan 1, 2006 10:35:26 GMT
Hmm, I'm still thinking about this one. I go to karate competitions (although competition is not my main aim when training) and usually have a bit of a moan about how they're organised, running late, lack of info about which category will be on which mat etc. However, it's dead easy to moan but harder to think about what I'd do to actually fix it and create a tournament that I'd like to go to.
I'd certainly like to see a rule-change in (point-sparring) Karate tournaments to encourage more techniques to be used, rather than the ol' standby of jodan mawashi-geri and chudan gyaku-tsuki. That's not karate, even though it is fun to compete and enter tournaments, IMO it's not karate. I've entered a couple of continuous karate tournaments and the range of techniques in continuous is usually a bit more than in the stop-start tourneys but I'd still like to see less rule restrictions and more karate techniques being able to be used.
Something along the lines of Kyokushin tourneys but with techniques to the head perhaps.
As for kata, that's another tricky area.
Hmm, I will have to give it some serious thought.
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 2, 2006 13:19:40 GMT
I'd like to see more self-defence knowledge and knowledge of kata bunkai and principles tested, but I can't see any way of doing this without making it the most boring tournament ever!  |
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Post by Aefibird on Jan 2, 2006 17:08:24 GMT
I think more inclusion of ippon kumite might be a good thing, as that's often where principles are tested and bunkai is worked; certainly more so in ippon kumite than in the competition type freestyle.
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Post by maskedman on Jan 14, 2006 7:09:10 GMT
jUST HAVE A ALL OUT BALLS TO THE WALLS...DEATH IS ALLOWED MATCHES WHICH AL KINDS OF AGE RANGES AND TEACH THOSE MMA FREAKIES A LESSON!
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Post by Andy on Jan 15, 2006 4:33:47 GMT
jUST HAVE A ALL OUT BALLS TO THE WALLS...DEATH IS ALLOWED MATCHES WHICH AL KINDS OF AGE RANGES AND TEACH THOSE MMA FREAKIES A LESSON! Yeah, yeah, Oui. Parlez Vous de trollesque? Est Que tu en Richarde du Dick? En Soup Con du pickled egg o twist? |
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Post by maskedman on Jan 15, 2006 10:46:47 GMT
jUST HAVE A ALL OUT BALLS TO THE WALLS...DEATH IS ALLOWED MATCHES WHICH AL KINDS OF AGE RANGES AND TEACH THOSE MMA FREAKIES A LESSON! Yeah, yeah, Oui. Parlez Vous de trollesque? Est Que tu en Richarde du Dick? En Soup Con du pickled egg o twist? I dont know what you said but I think you are not saying nice things....I will give you a opportunity to explain this and dont hide behind a language...if you got something to say out with it...dont be a coward! |
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Post by Andy on Jan 16, 2006 1:30:33 GMT
Yeah, yeah, Oui. Parlez Vous de trollesque? Est Que tu en Richarde du Dick? En Soup Con du pickled egg o twist? I dont know what you said but I think you are not saying nice things....I will give you a opportunity to explain this and dont hide behind a language...if you got something to say out with it...dont be a coward! I think the original question could be bettered perhaps, but your answer had no relevance to anything. It was the sort of thing a Troll or a child would write, complete with 'Caps Lock' As far as I'm concerned, you need to do better. If you want me, (and probably a few others on here) to take you seriously, you need to make more of an effort, cos that wasn't worth a response. You asked. You got. |
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Post by whitewarlock on Jan 16, 2006 6:43:15 GMT
Hmm, according to my own specifications, with the intent of testing the important aspects of my art...
Well, this may not be a popular notion, but in order to test the important aspects, there would need to be death and/or dismemberment.
I suppose i would have three levels of full-contact competition, based on a three-tier measurement of threat. I.e., a relatively 'friendly-based' competition, a dissuade or deflating competition, and a kill or be killed competition.
The first competition would be loaded with protections and be geared towards non-lethal domination, short time frame. The second competition would require protection gear as well, but less of it, and with an emphasis on knockout or submission as a closure.
For the last competition, the only means to do so, without wasting the lives of practitioners, would be to provide people who volunteer to be the attackers. One route would be persons who are up for death row, or life sentences (due to the nature of this particular competition, i can't readily see myself sponsoring such).
For non-combat types of competitions, there would be de-escalation roleplay, weapons-utilization against inanimate and moving objects, improvisational point-system in a sort of obstacle course with targets, and the last which would be a 16 series action demonstration, wherein they utilize an uke to show 16 actions/techniques, committed in series. All these 'non-combat' types are time-penalized, so as to discourage 'flashiness' (which generally takes more time to present and implement).
<< off the top of my head >>
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Post by pasmith on Jan 16, 2006 16:59:20 GMT
The Karate style that I do (Shidokan) at the higher level involves competition over three areas.
The first area is knockdown Karate - Full contact but no head punches. I also believe that we allow longer for clinching than standard knockdown.
The next area is Thai boxing where you wear gloves and can punch to the head.
The third area allows you to include grappling (although no striking on the ground is allowed I think) and is done in MMA gloves.
That to me seems a very good test of a persons all round abilities and makes sure people train to be versatile and effective in many areas. Knockdown makes sure you are forming a fist well and also tests your conditioning. Thai obviously needs a more rounded striking style while the grappling rounds all of that out into a whole.
Generally in this country we focus on the knockdown side as we have relatively few practitioners and so don't have the size to organise events that cater for all of the above. Doing Knockdown also allows us to enter Kyokushin events.
Other countries (USA in particular) tend to have more of a balance between the three areas.
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Post by Aefibird on Jan 16, 2006 18:42:30 GMT
The next area is Thai boxing where you wear gloves and can punch to the head. Do you ever enter Thai boxing competitions or just try to stick to Shidokan/Kyokushin events? |
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Post by maskedman on Jan 17, 2006 1:54:19 GMT
I dont know what you said but I think you are not saying nice things....I will give you a opportunity to explain this and dont hide behind a language...if you got something to say out with it...dont be a coward! I think the original question could be bettered perhaps, but your answer had no relevance to anything. It was the sort of thing a Troll or a child would write, complete with 'Caps Lock' As far as I'm concerned, you need to do better. If you want me, (and probably a few others on here) to take you seriously, you need to make more of an effort, cos that wasn't worth a response. You asked. You got. OHHH yes because i need your approval...please accept me Mr Andy...pppffttt! I answered the question..what type of tournament...a death match tournament...that is the only way to test true MA...and the true potential of its techniques....the rest is just sport. And for something that doesnt warrant a response...you gave me two so far...and one in made up french.....I will request humbly that you apologise for calling me a troll or I will take it up with the administration! Because what proof do you have...be careful how you defame people and bandy around accusations! |
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Post by AngelaG on Jan 17, 2006 8:50:47 GMT
Interesting! Do some people really believe that testing their life is worth the cost of a human life? I expected a range of responses but nothing quite so extreme. Perhaps gameshows like "The Running Man" aren't that far off after all. |
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